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Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

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The DIsposable Hero wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:36 pm Updated as of June 28, 2019. The new Alter Bridge song “Wouldn’t You Rather” has been added to the list. All of the songs off of the new album “Walk the Sky” will be added as songs are released!
It's been a long time since then. Here's all the Walk The Sky and Marching In Time songs for the list. Also, some updates to existing songs as we find out that Mark/Myles/Eric might be in a different tuning than originally listed, or that a song is played live in a different tuning than it was recorded in.

Additions and updates as of November 7, 2021:

E Standard
Take You With Me (Played in Eb Standard live)
If Not For You (Mark, Eric is in B Standard)
Thrown Further
The Last One Of Us

Drop D
In One Piece
Under The Sun

Open D Minor Add 9 (D A E A D F)
As The Silence Becomes Me (Mark, Eric is in D Standard)

Drop B (B A D G B E)
Coming Home (Myles, Mark is in Drop D 1 1/2 steps down)
This Side Of Fate (Myles, Mark is in Open B minor add 9)

Eb Standard/Half-Step Down
Godspeed
Walking On The Sky
Tear Us Apart
Last Rites

Drop Db/C#
Ghost Of Days Gone By (Myles, Mark is in Open D 1/2 step down)
Words Darker Than Their Wings (Myles, Mark is in Open Gm 1/2 step down)
Waters Rising (Played in Drop C live from 2013-2017)
Cradle To The Grave (Mark, Myles is in Open Gm 1/2 step down)
You Will Be Remembered (Myles, Mark is in Drop B)
In The Deep (Myles, Mark is in Ab/G# Standard)
Native Son
Take The Crown
Pay No Mind
Forever Falling (Myles, Mark is in C# Standard)
Not Afraid To Lose (Eric, Mark is in Open C#)
Would You Kill

Open D5 Half-Step Down (Db Ab Db Ab Db Db)
Ghost Of Days Gone By (Mark, Myles is in Drop Db/C#)

Open C#/Open D Half-Step Down (Db Ab Db F Ab Db)
Not Afraid To Lose (Mark, Eric is in Drop Db/C#)

Drop Bb/A# (Bb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb)
Indoctrination (Myles, Mark is in Bb/A# Standard)
The Bitter End

Open Gm Half-Step Down (Db Gb Db Gb A Db)
Words Darker Than Their Wings (Mark, Myles is in Drop Db/C#)
Cradle To The Grave (Myles, Mark is in Drop Db/C#)
Dying Light

D Standard/Whole-Step Down
As The Silence Becomes Me (Eric, Mark is in Open D Minor Add 9)
Clear Horizon

Drop C
Shed My Skin (Played in Drop Db/C# live in 2017)
The End Is Here (Played in Drop Db/C# live in 2017)
One Life

Db/C# Standard/One and a Half Steps Down
So You're Afraid (Played in D Standard live since 2021)
Forever Falling (Mark, Myles is in Drop Db/C#)

Drop B (B F# B E G# C#)
Coming Home (Mark, Myles is in B A D G B E)
You Will Be Remembered (Mark, Myles is in Drop Db/C#)

Open B minor add 9 tuning (B F# C# F# B D)
This Side Of Fate (Mark, Myles is in B A D G B E)

C Standard (C F A# D# G C)
Throw Them To The Lions (sometimes played in B Standard live)
Bleak

B Standard (B E A D F# B)
If Not For You (Eric, Mark is in E Standard)
Let That Be Us
Marching In Time

Bb/A# Standard (Bb Eb Ab Db F Bb)
Indoctrination (Mark, Myles is in Drop Bb/A#)
Now And Forever

Drop Ab/G#/Drop D 4 steps down (Ab Eb Ab Db F Bb)
A World Away (Eric, Mark is in Open Ab/G#5)

Open Ab/G#5 (Ab Eb Ab Eb Ab Ab)
A World Away (Mark, Eric is in Drop Ab/G#)

Ab/G# Standard (Ab Db Gb B Eb Ab)
In The Deep (Mark, Myes is in Drop Db/C#)

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Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

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maximzub wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:32 pm Drop Db/C#
Not Afraid To Lose (Eric, Mark is in Open C#)

Open C#/Open D Half-Step Down (Db Ab Db F Ab Db)
Not Afraid To Lose (Mark, Eric is in Drop Db/C#)

Open Gm Half-Step Down (Db Gb Db Gb A Db)
Words Darker Than Their Wings (Mark, Myles is in Drop Db/C#)
Dying Light

B Standard (B E A D F# B)
Let That Be Us
While I agree with the majority of your additions, these few I would disagree on;

Eric is the one playing the intro in "Not Afraid To Lose" (based on the live video which was posted to FB a couple of weeks ago, can't find it on YouTube for some reason), and for that you need a ringing Ab and Db string (which you can hear at around the end of the first line of Mark's singing). Also in that same video you hear him play an open C-note (which would be a C# on the record) during one of his short leads, further hinting that he's actually the one in Open C#-major.

In the same video, you can spot Mark is actually playing shapes more reminiscent to being tuned to C#-standard albeit with the 3rd string tuned UP to an F (because there is clearly that ringing F-note throughout that song), meaning Mark is tuned to C# F# B F G# C#.

For "Words..." Mark is tuned to Db Gb Db Gb Ab Db (you can hear that ringing Ab during the verse while he frets the A note on the 3rd fret of the 3rd string), and for Dying Light he is tuned to Open Gb-major, same tuning as In Loving Memory; watching them play live confirmed this as during the WTS tour during soundcheck the band first played In Loving Memory and went right into Dying Light and Mark didn't retune his guitar (or first DL then ILM, but you get the idea).

Finally, for Let That Be Us, I am 99% he's playing in Drop B (a la Coming Home, Home, You Will Be Remembered) for two reasons; the turnaround on the 2nd verse is more straightforward to play in Drop B, and especially during the bridge during the finger-picked part you can hear the ringing B note which you can't have at that pitch in B Standard unless you fret the 7th fret on the fifth string, and playing the dyad's over the ringing B-note become near impossible in B-standard but are a breeze in Drop B due to having access to that open B note.
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Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

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SchwiizVT12 wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:31 am While I agree with the majority of your additions, these few I would disagree on;

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For "Words..." Mark is tuned to Db Gb Db Gb Ab Db (you can hear that ringing Ab during the verse while he frets the A note on the 3rd fret of the 3rd string), and for Dying Light he is tuned to Open Gb-major, same tuning as In Loving Memory; watching them play live confirmed this as during the WTS tour during soundcheck the band first played In Loving Memory and went right into Dying Light and Mark didn't retune his guitar (or first DL then ILM, but you get the idea).
I agree 100%. The official tab book has the tuning you mention (not that it is always right; their Ghost of Days Gone By tuning is terrible). Words Darker is basically unplayable in the tuning currently suggested by the master list here, and live footage of Mark playing shows him using finger positions that agree with the book (which has Open Gsus2 down a half step).

I wrote about this in this thread back in March this year and updated my spreadsheet (which contains mostly the info from this thread) to reflect it:

Here's my spreadsheet link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpdc6spjok50d ... .xlsx?dl=0

And here's what I wrote in March:
davidstvz wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:20 am Speaking of that song [words darker], I just looked at the live footage for the first time and unless they changed from the album tuning, it's not in Open Gm (-1) as our master list here says. In fact, I can't even come up with a reasonable way to play the opening riff in that tuning. Upon closer inspection, the official tab book's tuning (Open Gsus2 down a half step) seems accurate. It's the same as Open Gm except with the 2nd string dropped an additional half step to G# from A. If anyone wants to continue pushing the idea that it's in Open Gm, they should come up with a reasonable tab for that tuning first.

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