Lotha wrote:I would just like to point out that in this game the mafs can recruit one person to their side, and I'm pretty sure they'd want a vigi if they knew who it was. So, a role claim like that could also be a way to get the maf's attention. If asked to join the Voidbringers, Inc, would you?
This is actually an interesting point. @ANDY could you clarify something for me? If mafia successfully recruits a townie, can the townie continue to use their role as mafia? Lotha I’m going to answer your question with a question, would you really believe me if I said no? And what would you say if I said yes? I guess I’m trying to get a sense of what you’re trying to figure out with this question.
Timotheus wrote:I think Incon should claim her real role. If somebody else claims her role, we kill her. If she's innocent, we kill the other player. If she's guilty, the doc protects the other player.
Thoughts?
I would encourage the doctor to not protect me in the night. This isn’t strategy to out-manoeuvre mafia, I legitimately don’t think Kaladin should protect me tonight.
Ubik wrote:If she's willing to share then I'd like to hear from Inc later to say whether she's learned anything in the responses (or lack of).
Ahaaaa are you asking me to make a huge post? Well, [Ubik] you know I don’t need to be pushed into this sort of thing! This is what I’ve learned over the last day, in order from reactions that I liked the most to the least.
1. Ubik: A lot of what I feel with Ubik here is what I thought I felt in the early stages of the last game, but the more he posts, the better I feel about him. I feel more solid in my read this time and I’m not second guessing it as I’m writing it out this time. He’s trying to solve, he’s asking questions, he’s digging deeper. Him bringing up the timing of when I claimed was also very smart, and I can see how it informed his conclusion on me. I reserve the right to change my opinion if I find out later that you’ve been gross. But unless something ridiculous happens in the next ~13 hours, I definitely would not vote here today.
2. Timo: I get a lot of the same feelings from Timo that I get from Ubik. What puts Timo in such a high spot for me was him asking the questions to the other players at large yesterday. Why he’s not above Ubik for me is because I’m nervous that I just don’t know how to properly read him after the last game. He really suckered me into believing that he was innocent by the end of day two last time, and I’m nervous that I could be falling for it again. He’s a very good player as both alignments, and I’m wary of that. But I would not vote here at this point.
3. Lotha: A lot of the time I get a bad feeling from Lotha’s posts, but then I end up talking myself out of those bad feelings. I do see her as trying to solve what’s happened here, and I genuinely do not have an issue with her not liking my play here. What does bother me about her (and I can’t believe that I’m using this again, is her reaction to my claim here vs. her reaction to Cam’s claim in the last game (Wankergate). Especially since Cam claimed, in her view, a much more important role that vigilante. I can see how she could explain this away, so I’m not… really asking for a defence here? It’s just something that’s kind of nagging at the back of my head right now. I would put her in my town group, but in the event that a mafia slipped into my town group, I would look here first. But also wouldn’t vote here today.
4. Summer: We’re probably looking at a high neutral position here. I like
THIS post because I think it’s funny (you’re alright too, Summer!), but I wasn’t a huge fan of it at first because of its lack of conclusion, which is probably fine for day one. But I really liked the thinking in
THIS post, though I do need to follow up here before the end of day because I have some questions. Anyway what is keeping Summer out of my town group right now is pretty lame, truthfully, but it’s nagging me a bit. She hasn’t asked any mechanical questions, which is something she definitely does as town. This is probably nothing, but it’s in my mind. Would not vote here.
5. Cam: I’m a little conflicted here and I don’t… really like my reasoning. On a very surface level,
THIS post is perfectly fine. I appreciate that he quoted Julianna’s post so we could see it, but it does worry me that he didn’t want to offer his own takes here. The mafia Ubik line “I don’t want to add to the confusion” is screaming at me with this post. But… I like
THIS post far more. There’s a conclusion here, he gives takes, I like that he’s not fully certain of me. I think I may have thrown him off his game by basically shutting down the shitposting before it could get started, because I do know that he likes the jokey stuff on day one to a certain extent.
6. Julianna: Welcome to the game! I think she’s on the lower end of my rankings here because I don’t have experience playing with her, so I don’t know how to read her just yet. Also with only two posts to go on, there’s less to clear her either way. I like the thinking of her first post. Her second post kind of feels like not wanting to rock the boat? Maybe? I wouldn’t vote here today because I need to see more before making a real call either way.
7. Silver: Again, I’ll need to see more here. My concern is that I just don’t know how to read Silver. In the Champs game, I cased her for being mafia and was very wrong, so this might just be a me thing. I do see consistency with her in saying that she doesn’t get into reads very much until day two. I do think that she could come up with some idea as to why I might claim right off the bat to benefit the town, but I also don’t blame her for not thinking that I’m town straight off the bat either.
8. Dissident: I’ve never played a game with Diss before, but I’ve watched him play twice, once as town and once as mafia. Both times, he stayed quiet and didn’t put a lot of thoughts into the thread. He’s made two posts so far in this game and they are in line with this meta. What concerns me is that he didn’t have anything to add to the discussion after everything that has gone down so far. I feel like there is stuff to talk about here, that was definitely one of my goals in starting the day the way I did.
9. Micky: This makes me upset. Ok so I have one joke post to look at here… which is fine for day one, but it’s well after I claimed and after others had responded to it. Problem is, I’m talking about Micky here, who doesn’t really get too deep into the weeds, and doesn’t post a bunch to try to figure things out. Problem is, I was very vocal about how I read him in the last game, and he could (and/or his partners could encourage him) try to use that meta to his advantage. Having said that, he was so vastly different in the last game that I won’t really be using that information to clear him town this time.
This isn’t a structured reads list, but I guess if I were making one… the order would probably be the same. That said, I don’t feel comfortable voting for Micky right now. We have over 12 hours to see what happens, maybe reactions to this post will help clear some things up. What I would like to see is others’ reactions/thoughts to/on other players in this list. This might help whittle down a clear direction on where to go today if we don’t decide to go the no vote route.