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Postby Raven » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:00 am

chtimixeur wrote:1997-1999 Stapp > 2010-2017 Myles (IMHO)


Lol no

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Postby Raven » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:09 am

Timotheus wrote:
chtimixeur wrote:1997-1999 Stapp > 2010-2017 Myles (IMHO)

Myles's voice was really strong in 2013-2014. I'd agree with you if we were talking about the AB III era only.



I wouldn't 'Words Darker than their Wings' vs anything Stapp did,and yes i have every Creed cd also Stapp's solo album.Scott had a big voice yes but that doesn't make it a great voice,i swear thats how some people differentiate singers which is just …… absurd.Myles sings with a reflective emotion on nearly every song which not many are able to do.For example White Knuckles,Find The Real,Metalingus aggression .Slip To the void,The Other Side a real ominous dark tone that reflects the lyrics.Wonderful Life,Cradle To The Grave,In Loving Memory,Blackbird sorrow.I could go on but to me Myles does this better than anyone

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Postby chtimixeur » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:14 am

@Raven: live, it's not even a contest.
Myles is a very average live singer who keeps using tricks to save his voice ("that's tight!"), and he's not much of a frontman (who told him to wave his hand in the air?).
Stapp's just got that "x factor" when it comes to performing, and in the first Creed years, he was simply a beast on stage.
Don't mistake me : both guys have got skills of their own.
Stapp is a better performer and a better writer.
Myles is a more gifted singer with an incredible tone and lots of nuances, and he's a great guitar player. He was an exceptional studio singer back in the day, and as much as I hate what Elvis is doing to his voice, he's still pretty strong.
They're just different singers, with different skills, and I don't see why one can't love them both.

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Postby Jaded Rescue » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:34 am

All of this is so subjective anyway, it's kind of a pointless debate/discussion to have. I freaking love Max Collins from Eve 6. Can the guy sing well, technically? Hell no. But I connect with him emotionally for some reason and his singing gets way more out of me than Myles has in the last 5 years. Comparing Stapp to Myles is like comparing how well a submarine can hide underwater to how well an airplane can do loop-de-loops.

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Postby anguyen92 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:01 pm

For anyone that cares. An unboxing of the vinyl records of the package is on Napalm's channel. I liked the artwork.


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Postby TenaciousBe » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:33 pm

Jaded Rescue wrote:All of this is so subjective anyway, it's kind of a pointless debate/discussion to have. I freaking love Max Collins from Eve 6. Can the guy sing well, technically? Hell no. But I connect with him emotionally for some reason and his singing gets way more out of me than Myles has in the last 5 years. Comparing Stapp to Myles is like comparing how well a submarine can hide underwater to how well an airplane can do loop-de-loops.


Dude, Eve 6 is fantastic. Leech is still one of my favorite songs ever. :)
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Postby Jaded Rescue » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:48 am

TenaciousBe wrote:
Jaded Rescue wrote:All of this is so subjective anyway, it's kind of a pointless debate/discussion to have. I freaking love Max Collins from Eve 6. Can the guy sing well, technically? Hell no. But I connect with him emotionally for some reason and his singing gets way more out of me than Myles has in the last 5 years. Comparing Stapp to Myles is like comparing how well a submarine can hide underwater to how well an airplane can do loop-de-loops.


Dude, Eve 6 is fantastic. Leech is still one of my favorite songs ever. :)

Max Collins is a freaking poet. Haha. Their music may not seem like it on the surface all the time, but it's like the guy does open heart surgery on himself on every song. He just lays it all out there.

Myles used to do that, and I really miss that.

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Postby PRS10Top » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:26 am

Jaded Rescue wrote:
TenaciousBe wrote:
Jaded Rescue wrote:All of this is so subjective anyway, it's kind of a pointless debate/discussion to have. I freaking love Max Collins from Eve 6. Can the guy sing well, technically? Hell no. But I connect with him emotionally for some reason and his singing gets way more out of me than Myles has in the last 5 years. Comparing Stapp to Myles is like comparing how well a submarine can hide underwater to how well an airplane can do loop-de-loops.


Dude, Eve 6 is fantastic. Leech is still one of my favorite songs ever. :)

Max Collins is a freaking poet. Haha. Their music may not seem like it on the surface all the time, but it's like the guy does open heart surgery on himself on every song. He just lays it all out there.

Myles used to do that, and I really miss that.

True, and I love Eve 6's older stuff.

But their latest album? The poetry somehow turned super cheesy...

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Postby Jaded Rescue » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:53 am

PRS10Top wrote:
Jaded Rescue wrote:
TenaciousBe wrote:
Jaded Rescue wrote:All of this is so subjective anyway, it's kind of a pointless debate/discussion to have. I freaking love Max Collins from Eve 6. Can the guy sing well, technically? Hell no. But I connect with him emotionally for some reason and his singing gets way more out of me than Myles has in the last 5 years. Comparing Stapp to Myles is like comparing how well a submarine can hide underwater to how well an airplane can do loop-de-loops.


Dude, Eve 6 is fantastic. Leech is still one of my favorite songs ever. :)

Max Collins is a freaking poet. Haha. Their music may not seem like it on the surface all the time, but it's like the guy does open heart surgery on himself on every song. He just lays it all out there.

Myles used to do that, and I really miss that.

True, and I love Eve 6's older stuff.

But their latest album? The poetry somehow turned super cheesy...


You're referring to Speak in Code, right? I would partially agree. It doesn't bother me much, but it definitely isn't the same quality as their older stuff.

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Postby PRS10Top » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:40 pm

Jaded Rescue wrote:You're referring to Speak in Code, right? I would partially agree. It doesn't bother me much, but it definitely isn't the same quality as their older stuff.

I sure am. Love the band, just disappointed in that album, lyrically speaking.

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Postby AllC392Was » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:50 pm

Blackbird got released yesterday on spotify and Itunes
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Postby Raven » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:06 am

chtimixeur wrote:@Raven: live, it's not even a contest.
Myles is a very average live singer who keeps using tricks to save his voice ("that's tight!"), and he's not much of a frontman (who told him to wave his hand in the air?).
Stapp's just got that "x factor" when it comes to performing, and in the first Creed years, he was simply a beast on stage.
Don't mistake me : both guys have got skills of their own.
Stapp is a better performer and a better writer.
Myles is a more gifted singer with an incredible tone and lots of nuances, and he's a great guitar player. He was an exceptional studio singer back in the day, and as much as I hate what Elvis is doing to his voice, he's still pretty strong.
They're just different singers, with different skills, and I don't see why one can't love them both.



I think Stapp's live stick is cheesy as hell and when i saw him he sucked live also check the Creed Dvd.Myles weakest vocal performance for me was live from Wemberly and it was still a long way better then Stapp.Myles is still a fantastic singer This Side of Fate,Calm The Fire,Cradle To the Grave,Starlight,Lover and Battlefield some fairly recent examples.His voice in Cry of Achillies is unbelievably underrated my vocal coach always points to that and Find The Real for examples on why Myles is an incredible singer

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Postby Raven » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:36 am

chtimixeur wrote:@Raven: live, it's not even a contest.
Myles is a very average live singer who keeps using tricks to save his voice ("that's tight!"), and he's not much of a frontman (who told him to wave his hand in the air?).
Stapp's just got that "x factor" when it comes to performing, and in the first Creed years, he was simply a beast on stage.
Don't mistake me : both guys have got skills of their own.
Stapp is a better performer and a better writer.
Myles is a more gifted singer with an incredible tone and lots of nuances, and he's a great guitar player. He was an exceptional studio singer back in the day, and as much as I hate what Elvis is doing to his voice, he's still pretty strong.
They're just different singers, with different skills, and I don't see why one can't love them both.



https://youtu.be/bHlTHoDcgwA

Sounds bloody good to me,this was 3 months ago

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Postby Timotheus » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:14 am

Lol, "that's tight".
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Postby chtimixeur » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:04 am

Raven wrote:I think Stapp's live stick is cheesy as hell and when i saw him he sucked live also check the Creed Dvd.Myles weakest vocal performance for me was live from Wemberly and it was still a long way better then Stapp.

I agree the 2009 Creed DVD was dreadful.
The Alter Bridge show in Amsterdam was also a disaster.
Stapp's voice was shot, but he was still trying to sing, whereas Myles was drunk and talk-singing half the words (plus a couple of "that's right" in every song).

Stapp may be cheesy at times, I can't deny that. But he's still got a lot of charisma on stage, and he always manages to make a connection with the audience. Myles is a bit dorkier, and he doesn't have that larger than life presence that rock stars used to have decades ago.

Raven wrote:https://youtu.be/bHlTHoDcgwA

Sounds bloody good to me,this was 3 months ago

He sounds very good for the most part, even though his voice is nasal at times, and he doesn't really go for the big note at the end.
Also, he briefly talks after a minute or so, and he can't help but say "that"s right" at one moment.

Timotheus wrote:Lol, "that's tight".

:facepalm
LOL indeed.

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Postby facelessman07 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:37 pm

So instead of doing the reasonable thing and releasing a b-side like Solace, they release the live version of Blackbird on iTunes.

Dats some bull.

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Postby TenaciousBe » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:02 am

Jaded Rescue wrote:
TenaciousBe wrote:
Jaded Rescue wrote:All of this is so subjective anyway, it's kind of a pointless debate/discussion to have. I freaking love Max Collins from Eve 6. Can the guy sing well, technically? Hell no. But I connect with him emotionally for some reason and his singing gets way more out of me than Myles has in the last 5 years. Comparing Stapp to Myles is like comparing how well a submarine can hide underwater to how well an airplane can do loop-de-loops.


Dude, Eve 6 is fantastic. Leech is still one of my favorite songs ever. :)

Max Collins is a freaking poet. Haha. Their music may not seem like it on the surface all the time, but it's like the guy does open heart surgery on himself on every song. He just lays it all out there.

Myles used to do that, and I really miss that.


So I'll admit I haven't seen anything from Eve 6 in a while, so I went looking for live videos on YouTube. Agreed that there's a buttload of passion there in the performances, very cool to see! I'll have to check out some of their later releases.
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Postby anguyen92 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:26 am

facelessman07 wrote:So instead of doing the reasonable thing and releasing a b-side like Solace, they release the live version of Blackbird on iTunes.

Dats some bull.


At least, it sounds pretty good and, of course, the crowd is naturally into it. I like the version. I think 2 out of 3 tracks (Metalingus was not really up to par sadly) before the release date sounded good to me on this release.

Also, I don't think if it was the phone recording or if this version took place at another show, but I could have sworn Myles was doing his a-weeee pronunciation in the O2 Arena show from what I heard at a video recording.

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Postby facelessman07 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:55 am

anguyen92 wrote:
facelessman07 wrote:So instead of doing the reasonable thing and releasing a b-side like Solace, they release the live version of Blackbird on iTunes.

Dats some bull.


At least, it sounds pretty good and, of course, the crowd is naturally into it. I like the version. I think 2 out of 3 tracks (Metalingus was not really up to par sadly) before the release date sounded good to me on this release.

Also, I don't think if it was the phone recording or if this version took place at another show, but I could have sworn Myles was doing his a-weeee pronunciation in the O2 Arena show from what I heard at a video recording.


At the risk of being flamed, I think Myles is pretty bad live for the most part. You won't catch me listening to a live track from AB.

However, I will give props to you on your avatar. I have a corgi.

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Postby Jaded Rescue » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:25 am

facelessman07 wrote:
anguyen92 wrote:
facelessman07 wrote:So instead of doing the reasonable thing and releasing a b-side like Solace, they release the live version of Blackbird on iTunes.

Dats some bull.


At least, it sounds pretty good and, of course, the crowd is naturally into it. I like the version. I think 2 out of 3 tracks (Metalingus was not really up to par sadly) before the release date sounded good to me on this release.

Also, I don't think if it was the phone recording or if this version took place at another show, but I could have sworn Myles was doing his a-weeee pronunciation in the O2 Arena show from what I heard at a video recording.


At the risk of being flamed, I think Myles is pretty bad live for the most part. You won't catch me listening to a live track from AB.

However, I will give props to you on your avatar. I have a corgi.

No flame here. I think the problem is the escalation of his voice over the years. If he wants to sing higher, that's fine, but I think that kind of stuff works better with Slash / the 80s hard rock vibe. I think there needs to be a little more low-end and meatiness (for lack of a better word) behind an AB vocal. I'm not saying he has to be a bass or anything, but his voice from ODR to Blackbird fit the band's sound a lot better than what he's doing now.

Also, as a singer myself, I can totally understand why he changes some of his vocal placement to save his voice night after night. That said, singing the line "save yourself" where "save" sounds like it rhymes with "jive" is just stupid.


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