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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby Jim » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:23 pm

I appreciate how many differing opinions there are flying around so far!
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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby DCooper727 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:20 pm

mradu1960 wrote:Not liking this new one at all "for AB". It's a good song, but sounds definitely more like a Tremonti solo song than an Alter Bridge song. Just me, but this is really NOT what I want to hear from AB. The first three songs are cool. This one....for me, not so much.


I'm the exact opposite; The Other Side is the only released track so far that doesn't sound like AB were chasing single material. The mainstream sound from SMaL/My Champion/Poison is just not what I want at all. Mark even admitted in the track by track that they are at their best when they go for the epic tracks, and I honestly wish they'd just drop these vcvcbc tracks entirely in favor of more progressive tracks. Just seems like they're wasting their potential when they could be so much more.

As for the AB/Tremonti comparison, I almost wish that Tremonti hadn't started his side project due to this complaint. It's like AB isn't allowed to be heavy because people will start whining and saying that the heavy songs should just be Tremonti tracks now.

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby anguyen92 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:30 pm

DCooper727 wrote:As for the AB/Tremonti comparison, I almost wish that Tremonti hadn't started his side project due to this complaint. It's like AB isn't allowed to be heavy because people will start whining and saying that the heavy songs should just be Tremonti tracks now.


Well, what else is he supposed to do when Myles is with Slash? Creed? Then, we'll just be complaining that any potential Creed songs may be lacking heart since, maybe, he may be unmotivated to do Creed and some people would be wanting him to do something else that taps all the potential he has outside of Creed/AB.

People are just going to have some criticisms anyway regarding any direction AB goes to. Going more heavier/progressive/speed metal, it's going to sound like a Tremonti track. Going for a sleazy guitar sound/nasal-sounding Myles, welp, now AB is going to sound like Slash's solo band. Going for a laid-back peppy happy sound (which still has electric guitars), welp, now AB's going all mainstream rock on us.

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby mradu1960 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:39 pm

DCooper727 wrote:
mradu1960 wrote:Not liking this new one at all "for AB". It's a good song, but sounds definitely more like a Tremonti solo song than an Alter Bridge song. Just me, but this is really NOT what I want to hear from AB. The first three songs are cool. This one....for me, not so much.


I'm the exact opposite; The Other Side is the only released track so far that doesn't sound like AB were chasing single material. The mainstream sound from SMaL/My Champion/Poison is just not what I want at all. Mark even admitted in the track by track that they are at their best when they go for the epic tracks, and I honestly wish they'd just drop these vcvcbc tracks entirely in favor of more progressive tracks. Just seems like they're wasting their potential when they could be so much more.

As for the AB/Tremonti comparison, I almost wish that Tremonti hadn't started his side project due to this complaint. It's like AB isn't allowed to be heavy because people will start whining and saying that the heavy songs should just be Tremonti tracks now.


I LOVE heavy stuff from AB, especially epic stuff. I just don't think THIS SONG particularly works (for me anyway). Quite honestly, this is the absolute FIRST song that AB has ever done that hasn't clicked with me.

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby DCooper727 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:40 pm

anguyen92 wrote:
DCooper727 wrote:As for the AB/Tremonti comparison, I almost wish that Tremonti hadn't started his side project due to this complaint. It's like AB isn't allowed to be heavy because people will start whining and saying that the heavy songs should just be Tremonti tracks now.


Well, what else is he supposed to do when Myles is with Slash? Creed? Then, we'll just be complaining that any potential Creed songs may be lacking heart since, maybe, he may be unmotivated to do Creed and some people would be wanting him to do something else that taps all the potential he has outside of Creed/AB.

People are just going to have some criticisms anyway regarding any direction AB goes to. Going more heavier/progressive/speed metal, it's going to sound like a Tremonti track. Going for a sleazy guitar sound/nasal-sounding Myles, welp, now AB is going to sound like Slash's solo band. Going for a laid-back peppy happy sound (which still has electric guitars), welp, now AB's going all mainstream rock on us.


The part that you quoted is not meant to be taken literally; Creed and Slash have nothing to do with what I said. It's just that now that Tremonti exists as a band, people have complained any time that an AB track is heavy: Waters Rising, The Other Side, Bleed it Dry, etc, and each time they say that it just sounds like a Tremonti track with Myles singing. It's as if they forgot about
ABIII being dark and heavy + songs like Ties That Bind/White Knuckles. AB have moving in the heavier/darker direction since BB and I hardly saw any complaints aside from the ODR crowd until Tremonti became a thing.

I understand that preference is just very much a thing, but I think the heavy material is here to stay. No need to say that it's just a Tremonti track because it's heavy.

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby Andy92 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:57 pm

Dolo wrote:
Andy92 wrote:I don't think it's all due to the production from a mixing perspective (although that's a good piece of it), but I also think the guitar rig changes over the years play into it as well.



It is actually due to the production. Bands like Periphery or Tesseract also use super low tunings but their mixes sound incredibly spacious and crystal clear.

Certain guitar amps/setups handle low tunings better than others too. I don't know what Periphery uses so I won't say for sure, but I do know when Elvis worked on Blackbird the guitars sounded great. The guitar rigs have changed over the years, but it's the same producer. I personally think it's a mix of multiple things causing it instead of one specific answer.

I've become less thrilled with Mark's live tone in comparison to how it was 10 years ago too, so that's part of the reason I tend to think the rig has something to do with it.
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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby Thundercats » Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:24 pm

Andy92 wrote:
Dolo wrote:
Andy92 wrote:I don't think it's all due to the production from a mixing perspective (although that's a good piece of it), but I also think the guitar rig changes over the years play into it as well.



It is actually due to the production. Bands like Periphery or Tesseract also use super low tunings but their mixes sound incredibly spacious and crystal clear.

Certain guitar amps/setups handle low tunings better than others too. I don't know what Periphery uses so I won't say for sure, but I do know when Elvis worked on Blackbird the guitars sounded great. The guitar rigs have changed over the years, but it's the same producer. I personally think it's a mix of multiple things causing it instead of one specific answer.

I've become less thrilled with Mark's live tone in comparison to how it was 10 years ago too, so that's part of the reason I tend to think the rig has something to do with it.



Mark uses the same rig he always has. He uses the Triple rectifier and Bogner for his dirty stuff and a Fender twin for the clean stuff. He uses the same guitars with the same pickups as well. Nothing has changed except for his playing style, which has gravitated more and more toward thrash and modern metal.. Now, his amp setting may be a little different now, because in order to achieve this sound, he'd need to cut a lot of that Rectifier bottom end out to tighten it up. I love his tone now. It's the perfect metal tone.

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby abw1987 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:42 pm

"Losing Patience" review is live!

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2955#p181372

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby SamarthJoshi » Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:36 am

abw1987 wrote:"Losing Patience" review is live!

http://thealterbridgenation.com/forums/ ... 55#p181372


Thanks! Nicely done.
Tomorrow is the big review!
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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby cheesedip1 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:41 am

pokefan_4 wrote:


Just wait until you hear The Other Side


Stage is set. Scott Stapp bursts out onto stage, starts singing the lyrics to Justify

"Hey boooooooy..... have you seen the other side!?"


Me: (starts laughing)



(stops laughing)





Well, this is awkward.

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby fix » Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:51 am

abw1987 wrote:"Losing Patience" review is live!

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2955#p181372


Nice! Bring on the bees!

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby cheesedip1 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:23 am

----So far, out of the first 3 released songs, I have liked SMaL better than the other two. Poison isnt doing much for me, and My Champion is alright, but nothing special.

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby slasherbridge » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:33 am

The Other Side sounds like it might be this albums "Show Me a Sign". Which I'm okay with.

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby abw1987 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:19 pm

SamarthJoshi wrote:
abw1987 wrote:"Losing Patience" review is live!

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2955#p181372


Thanks! Nicely done.
Tomorrow is the big review!

You weren't kidding!

TSOF review is up: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2955#p181373

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby Jim » Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:26 pm

abw1987 wrote:
TSOF review is up: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2955#p181373



Go see!! ^^^
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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby Electricladyland » Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:30 pm

Jim wrote:
abw1987 wrote:
TSOF review is up: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2955#p181373



Go see!! ^^^


This and Island of Fools are the reviews I'm looking forward to the most, just from the buzz-hype alone. Sounds like a great track. Can't wait to hear the dang thing soon!

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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby DonHarry » Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:38 pm

Good review imo.
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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby Jim » Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:43 pm

Not long to go guys, just to clarify this song is an absolute monster. It twists and turns, it flies and soars and hits hard
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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby Thundercats » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:20 pm

Jim wrote:Not long to go guys, just to clarify this song is an absolute monster. It twists and turns, it flies and soars and hits hard


Eh, I still can't read the rules. Even though I've had several posts edited for the same thing.
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Re: Official "The Last Hero" Thread

Postby Thundercats » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:22 pm

Electricladyland wrote:
Jim wrote:



Go see!! ^^^


This and Island of Fools are the reviews I'm looking forward to the most, just from the buzz-hype alone. Sounds like a great track. Can't wait to hear the dang thing soon!


Island Of Fools I've heard is definitely one worth waiting for.


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