AB's Billboard Boxscore Results
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AB's back on the Boxscore this week and well, here's what happened.
Alter Bridge, In Flames, Devour the Day Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. May 2, 2017 $49,833 1,471 / 2,000 1 / 0 $40, $37.50 The Bowery Presents
On the one hand, making $50k in revenue in a headlining show in the US is pretty good for a band like AB nowadays. On the other hand, they played this very venue three years back and did much better in attendance and revenue. What happened? Did the $8 price increase turn people away? Why promoters think that it would be a great idea to increase the ticket price that much if AB did not sell it out, but came close to selling it out back in 2014? This was how they did back in 2014 in this very same venue.
Alter Bridge, Like a Storm, California Breed Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Oct. 10, 2014 $58,102 1,962 / 2,000 1 / 0 $32, $29.50 AEG Live
On the other hand, here's what Sevendust did in the same venue.
Sevendust Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. June 22, 2017 $41,329 1,573 / 2,000 1 / 0 $35, $29.50 The Bowery Presents
I'm surprised with the exception of back around 2008, I think, that AB and Sevendust have not done a tour together. They should be touring together more honestly since they know each other pretty well. I think the UK and Europe would welcome Sevendust with open arms as a support for an AB tour there and an AB/Sevendust co-headlining tour in the states could do some good business.
Here's another result of AB's show in Kansas City.
Alter Bridge Harrah's VooDoo Lounge North Kansas City, Mo. Dec. 12, 2017 $15,839 869 / 1,398 1 / 0 $65, $36.50 C3 Presents/Caesars Entertainment
Sadly, second time was not the charm for them at Kansas City as they could not sell out the same venue that they did earlier in January 2017.
Alter Bridge, In Flames, Devour the Day Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. May 2, 2017 $49,833 1,471 / 2,000 1 / 0 $40, $37.50 The Bowery Presents
On the one hand, making $50k in revenue in a headlining show in the US is pretty good for a band like AB nowadays. On the other hand, they played this very venue three years back and did much better in attendance and revenue. What happened? Did the $8 price increase turn people away? Why promoters think that it would be a great idea to increase the ticket price that much if AB did not sell it out, but came close to selling it out back in 2014? This was how they did back in 2014 in this very same venue.
Alter Bridge, Like a Storm, California Breed Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Oct. 10, 2014 $58,102 1,962 / 2,000 1 / 0 $32, $29.50 AEG Live
On the other hand, here's what Sevendust did in the same venue.
Sevendust Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. June 22, 2017 $41,329 1,573 / 2,000 1 / 0 $35, $29.50 The Bowery Presents
I'm surprised with the exception of back around 2008, I think, that AB and Sevendust have not done a tour together. They should be touring together more honestly since they know each other pretty well. I think the UK and Europe would welcome Sevendust with open arms as a support for an AB tour there and an AB/Sevendust co-headlining tour in the states could do some good business.
Here's another result of AB's show in Kansas City.
Alter Bridge Harrah's VooDoo Lounge North Kansas City, Mo. Dec. 12, 2017 $15,839 869 / 1,398 1 / 0 $65, $36.50 C3 Presents/Caesars Entertainment
Sadly, second time was not the charm for them at Kansas City as they could not sell out the same venue that they did earlier in January 2017.
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Thought about going to KC. But a weekend show in St Louis was much better for me. I think The Pageant was pretty full.
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Ok, now that I think about looking at this week's boxscore. How AB did in terms of generating revenue at Starland Ballroom is pretty darn good in comparisons with the below. The following below are relatively somewhat known bands that drew in less money than what AB drew in at the Starland Ballroom in 2017.
The Pretty Reckless Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Nov. 10, 2017 $48,850 1,975 / 1,975 1 / 1 $30, $25, $12.50 The Bowery Presents
Seether, Shaman's Harvest, The Dead Deads Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Nov. 29, 2017 $44,226 1,791 / 2,000 1 / 0 $35, $30.50, $10.55, $9.59 The Bowery Presents
Hollywood Undead, Butcher Babies, Demrick Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Nov. 24, 2017 $38,040 1,644 / 2,000 1 / 0 $30, $25, $12.50 The Bowery Presents
Hatebreed, Dying Fetus, Code Orange Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Dec. 9, 2017 $33,130 1,876 /2,000 1 / 0 $25, $20, $10 The Bowery Presents
I Prevail, Escape The Fate, The Word Alive, We Came As Romans Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Oct. 19, 2017 $30,852 1,381 / 2,000 1 / 0 $27, $24, $12 The Bowery Presents
Theory of a Deadman, Ayron Jones and the Way Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Oct. 18, 2017 $20,406 1,229 / 2,000 1 / 0 $23, $20, $10, $9.59 The Bowery Presents
It's the weirdest thing. I hear a lot of songs from bands like The Pretty Reckless, Seether, I Prevail, and Theory of a Deadman on the active rock radio station I listen to frequently, and yet, those bands did not generate as much revenue as AB did in the same venue in a big area like New Jersey.
The Pretty Reckless Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Nov. 10, 2017 $48,850 1,975 / 1,975 1 / 1 $30, $25, $12.50 The Bowery Presents
Seether, Shaman's Harvest, The Dead Deads Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Nov. 29, 2017 $44,226 1,791 / 2,000 1 / 0 $35, $30.50, $10.55, $9.59 The Bowery Presents
Hollywood Undead, Butcher Babies, Demrick Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Nov. 24, 2017 $38,040 1,644 / 2,000 1 / 0 $30, $25, $12.50 The Bowery Presents
Hatebreed, Dying Fetus, Code Orange Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Dec. 9, 2017 $33,130 1,876 /2,000 1 / 0 $25, $20, $10 The Bowery Presents
I Prevail, Escape The Fate, The Word Alive, We Came As Romans Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Oct. 19, 2017 $30,852 1,381 / 2,000 1 / 0 $27, $24, $12 The Bowery Presents
Theory of a Deadman, Ayron Jones and the Way Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Oct. 18, 2017 $20,406 1,229 / 2,000 1 / 0 $23, $20, $10, $9.59 The Bowery Presents
It's the weirdest thing. I hear a lot of songs from bands like The Pretty Reckless, Seether, I Prevail, and Theory of a Deadman on the active rock radio station I listen to frequently, and yet, those bands did not generate as much revenue as AB did in the same venue in a big area like New Jersey.
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Same here. Every one of those bands, The Pretty Reckless, Seether, Hollywood Undead, and Hatebreed, and ToaD get lots of airtime on our stupid "hard rock" station while AB gets, exactly, zero airplay. I call to request AB and they say, "We don't play them". It's such a damn joke.
No wonder AB rarely comes here and MK doesn't come at all.
No wonder AB rarely comes here and MK doesn't come at all.
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gbruin wrote:I call to request AB and they say, "We don't play them". It's such a damn joke.
Does that have anything to do with them using their own label instead of a major label? It always feels like one of the reasons AB isn't more popular is due to lack of air time (someone said this previously). I've heard them on the radio twice: once in 2004 when they released One Day Remains, with "Open Your Eyes", which is when I got hooked, and again in ~2014 or so with "Isolation" (I think). Edge using "Metalingus" also seemed to give them a boost. What gives?
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It's an interesting question, and there are far more issues that go into it than I understand, but I think it's much more complicated than the label. When AB was with Universal, they didn't get significantly more airplay (though Universal pretty much sucked at promoting AB too). I think it's much more about a specific plan by the AB camp on how to focus their marketing efforts.
A while back, one guy very close to the band mentioned on here once that AB wasn't "spending" much effort on increasing US radio airplay, which I jumped to interpret that they aren't paying for access. I know payola is technically illegal, but so is buying cars for college athletes. Business interests will do what they can get away with to help their bottom line, so it's naive to think it isn't happening. One one hand, you have a band like Metallica that deservedly gets tons of airplay here, but that's a band that is big enough to program itself. The station (KBPI, for the record) gets far more out of Metallica than vice versa. But that same station has played a 5FDP song every 1-2 hours for the last 5 years and that smells funny. Similarly with certain bands in AB's genre that are in regular rotation while AB and a few others who clearly fit the format never get a note. It's easy to see via social media that I am far from the only one who laughs at KBPI's ultra-narrow playlist. Considering that advertisers are spending money to reach a target audience that isn't listening to the degree it could, you have to wonder where the radio station is supplementing that income.
Alter Bridge has clearly made a decision not to go that route, and it's a respectable decision and probably doesn't hurt them too much in the big picture. It's questionable whether popularity drives airplay or airplay drives popularity. With all the various ways to hear new music these days, I think it's much more the former.
I'm an old guy who grew up in a time when hearing a band on the radio was the only real way to hear new music, and so to me there is something magical about hearing your favorite band on the radio. That's one issue I have with KBPI not playing AB. The bigger problem though is that I sincerely believe it deters bands from coming here because of a perceived lack of support by the rock fans here. Denver is a full day's travel from the nearest major cities so it's a serious commitment for a band to come here, and there are an inordinate number of bands who bypass Colorado on their US tours. When KBPI refuses to play AB, they create the perception there aren't Alter Bridge fans here, even though every concert AB has played here proves just the opposite. But when touring is the lifeblood of a band these days and resources are limited, bands have to prudently target their tour stops and venues, and the absence of any airplay here makes us an easy place to skip. That fucking kills me.
The business of music has always been a darkly fascinating topic and it has changed a ton in the last couple decades. Gone are the days of Barry Fey that I grew up with and also gone are those old strategies how to promote a band, and I think radio airplay is one of those targets which has diminished. Man, I'd love to sit down with Tim and get a primer on what goes into managing a band and running a tour these days. It's a world I'd like to understand better and I can't imagine all the variables that go into it.
A while back, one guy very close to the band mentioned on here once that AB wasn't "spending" much effort on increasing US radio airplay, which I jumped to interpret that they aren't paying for access. I know payola is technically illegal, but so is buying cars for college athletes. Business interests will do what they can get away with to help their bottom line, so it's naive to think it isn't happening. One one hand, you have a band like Metallica that deservedly gets tons of airplay here, but that's a band that is big enough to program itself. The station (KBPI, for the record) gets far more out of Metallica than vice versa. But that same station has played a 5FDP song every 1-2 hours for the last 5 years and that smells funny. Similarly with certain bands in AB's genre that are in regular rotation while AB and a few others who clearly fit the format never get a note. It's easy to see via social media that I am far from the only one who laughs at KBPI's ultra-narrow playlist. Considering that advertisers are spending money to reach a target audience that isn't listening to the degree it could, you have to wonder where the radio station is supplementing that income.
Alter Bridge has clearly made a decision not to go that route, and it's a respectable decision and probably doesn't hurt them too much in the big picture. It's questionable whether popularity drives airplay or airplay drives popularity. With all the various ways to hear new music these days, I think it's much more the former.
I'm an old guy who grew up in a time when hearing a band on the radio was the only real way to hear new music, and so to me there is something magical about hearing your favorite band on the radio. That's one issue I have with KBPI not playing AB. The bigger problem though is that I sincerely believe it deters bands from coming here because of a perceived lack of support by the rock fans here. Denver is a full day's travel from the nearest major cities so it's a serious commitment for a band to come here, and there are an inordinate number of bands who bypass Colorado on their US tours. When KBPI refuses to play AB, they create the perception there aren't Alter Bridge fans here, even though every concert AB has played here proves just the opposite. But when touring is the lifeblood of a band these days and resources are limited, bands have to prudently target their tour stops and venues, and the absence of any airplay here makes us an easy place to skip. That fucking kills me.
The business of music has always been a darkly fascinating topic and it has changed a ton in the last couple decades. Gone are the days of Barry Fey that I grew up with and also gone are those old strategies how to promote a band, and I think radio airplay is one of those targets which has diminished. Man, I'd love to sit down with Tim and get a primer on what goes into managing a band and running a tour these days. It's a world I'd like to understand better and I can't imagine all the variables that go into it.
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How weird that the word payola was the correct answer to Q6 on HQ tonight. The world is connected in funny ways, although my 16 y/o son had never heard of it.
And even more apropos to the subject...there was a really interesting interview with Mark on Ultimate Guitar where he talks about the role of larger-than-life figures and their connection to stardom, and gives the example of how Myles is a great frontman but he and the band don't get much push in the media. That's another part of the equation as to why AB doesn't get tons of airplay - they're just too nice. Let's face it, we live in a ridiculously image conscious society and entertainment is a ridiculously image conscious industry. Frontmen like Axl Rose and Steven Tyler and David Lee Roth (look him up, younglings) will always be huge stars as much for their style as for their substance. They are accomplished singers, but none of them has the musical chops that Myles has vocally or none are in the conversation when it comes to guitar, but those guys are far more prominent frontmen and will always generate a huge media push - and airplay. Daredevils and train wrecks will always make the biggest headlines, even if they can't begin to play a slide on a resonator.
You can read the interview here: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/ge ... _push.html
I'm damn grateful every day that Myles and Mark and Flip and Brian are such good humans, and there is a huge personal story for me about that. Alter Bridge is about the music, not the image. And while I'd give a lot for the boys to get more airplay and media attention because they deserve it and because it might help get them to my part of the continent more often, I wouldn't ever want them to be anything different than who they are, no matter how much media push might come from a few arrests and public displays of idiocy.
And even more apropos to the subject...there was a really interesting interview with Mark on Ultimate Guitar where he talks about the role of larger-than-life figures and their connection to stardom, and gives the example of how Myles is a great frontman but he and the band don't get much push in the media. That's another part of the equation as to why AB doesn't get tons of airplay - they're just too nice. Let's face it, we live in a ridiculously image conscious society and entertainment is a ridiculously image conscious industry. Frontmen like Axl Rose and Steven Tyler and David Lee Roth (look him up, younglings) will always be huge stars as much for their style as for their substance. They are accomplished singers, but none of them has the musical chops that Myles has vocally or none are in the conversation when it comes to guitar, but those guys are far more prominent frontmen and will always generate a huge media push - and airplay. Daredevils and train wrecks will always make the biggest headlines, even if they can't begin to play a slide on a resonator.
You can read the interview here: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/ge ... _push.html
I'm damn grateful every day that Myles and Mark and Flip and Brian are such good humans, and there is a huge personal story for me about that. Alter Bridge is about the music, not the image. And while I'd give a lot for the boys to get more airplay and media attention because they deserve it and because it might help get them to my part of the continent more often, I wouldn't ever want them to be anything different than who they are, no matter how much media push might come from a few arrests and public displays of idiocy.
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gbruin wrote:I'm damn grateful every day that Myles and Mark and Flip and Brian are such good humans, and there is a huge personal story for me about that. Alter Bridge is about the music, not the image. And while I'd give a lot for the boys to get more airplay and media attention because they deserve it and because it might help get them to my part of the continent more often, I wouldn't ever want them to be anything different than who they are, no matter how much media push might come from a few arrests and public displays of idiocy.
Abso-fuckin-lutlely! I love these guys just as much for WHO they are as I do for the music they make. I mean, back during the hiatus between the disbanding of Creed and the announcement of "the new band," I jumped on board and helped create this site (which was AlterBridgeBand.net at the time) simply because I loved the guys and wanted to support their new venture. I hadn't heard a note of their new music yet, and I committed myself to supporting them no matter what I thought of the music itself. Luckily, they're pretty good at music and Myles ended up being my all time #1 favorite singer, so that helped. Their lack of commercial success does suck, but I'm proud that they don't sell themselves out.
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