AB's Billboard Boxscore Results

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AB's Billboard Boxscore Results

Postby anguyen92 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:33 pm

As most people have seen here, I frequently follow the Billboard Boxscore to see which touring acts are doing well in their shows and which are not. AB has had their fair share of very good results, during this Fortress tour, and I'm making this thread to show it and future results that they may have. Now, I do not know if the attendance is accurate or if the ticket price is right (I believe Billboard list the price on the face value of the ticket), but this kind of info is the closest I got, other than people's personal experience, to see how well bands do. I do not know if anything cares about this kind of stuff, but I find it intriguing to see how many people show up in bands/acts concerts.

So, here they are.

The order is this (Rank Artist/Event Venue City/State Event Dates Gross Sales Attend/Capacity Shows/Sellouts Prices Promoters)

43 Alter Bridge, Shinedown, Halestorm Phones 4u Arena Manchester, U.K. Oct. 22, 2013 $381,355 9,440 / 10,992 1 / 0 $40.40 Live Nation

http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/ ... re-2-22-14

40 Alter Bridge, Halestorm Hallenstadion Zurich, Switzerland Nov. 9, 2013 $286,256 3,258 / 4,500 1 / 0 $92.55, $81.66 Starclick Entertainment


http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/ ... e-03-08-14

306 Alter Bridge Best Buy Theater New York, N.Y. April 24, 2014 $55,358 2,150 / 2,150 1 / 1 $30, $27.50 AEG Live

http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/ ... e-06-28-14

219 Alter Bridge, Monster Truck Rams Head Live! Baltimore, Md. April 21, 2014 $41,250 1,500 / 1,500 1 / 1 $27.50 24-7 Entertainment

http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/ ... e-11-22-14

397 Alter Bridge, Like a Storm, California Breed Starland Ballroom Sayreville, N.J. Oct. 10, 2014 $58,102 1,962 / 2,000 1 / 0 $32, $29.50 AEG Live

http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/ ... e-11-29-14

88 Alter Bridge, California Breed, Like a Storm The Paramount Huntington, N.Y. Oct. 12, 2014 $46,271 1,251 / 1,573 1 / 0 $37 in-house

http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/ ... e-12-13-14

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Re: AB's Billboard Boxscore Results

Postby abw1987 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:09 pm

Incredible how they can make close to ten times as much money in Europe. And people wonder why they tour there so much.

anguyen92 wrote:Now, I do not know if the attendance is accurate or if the ticket price is right (I believe Billboard list the price on the face value of the ticket)

It looks to me like they just divide the revenue number by the attendance for each show. That would explain why the math works even for shows that aren't sold out, and why some of the ticket prices look a bit odd.

My only question is about the cases where two different prices are shown. I'm guessing that's just reflective of shows where tickets were offered through two different vendors, but I'm not exactly sure how they come up with the number. Maybe they have more detailed information (i.e., # of tickets purchased via each vendor), and they just show us the aggregate number.
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Postby anguyen92 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:19 pm

I always thought the two prices were based on different types of sections (GA and seats). Then again, the difference between prices in NYC is only $2.50 which surly cannot be the difference in prices between seats and GA? Then again, when I looked at tickets for AB in LA. There was about a $15 (fees included, I think) difference between The mezzanine and lode section and the space difference was not all that much to honestly justify the price difference.

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Re: AB's Billboard Boxscore Results

Postby abw1987 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:33 pm

Ah, that could be it too.

Anyway, thanks for posting this. It's always interesting to see how the guys are doing. I can't imagine they make much money, if any at all, in the US after you factor in the touring staff, travel expenses, etc.
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Re: AB's Billboard Boxscore Results

Postby julio » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:48 pm

They significantly improved in US compared to the Blackbird days.

I wonder if the band is still in the red financially or if they are finally making a little bit a money ...

I hope Myles is finally making a good living as a musician. I know he struggled for a very long time, but with Slash and AB doing really well it would make sense that he is making some good money these days.

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Postby anguyen92 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:36 pm

I got to think Myles is making a good living as well. He's out on the road for pretty much 80% of the year and, from what I've heard, he's not the kind of guy that would blow away his money easily (unless he goes on a vinyl record spree or guitar spree).

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Postby Timotheus » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:42 pm

anguyen92 wrote:I got to think Myles is making a good living as well. He's out on the road for pretty much 80% of the year and, from what I've heard, he's not the kind of guy that would blow away his money easily (unless he goes on a vinyl record spree or guitar spree).

A drunken vinyl record spree :D
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Postby zazthespaz » Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:57 am

julio wrote:They significantly improved in US compared to the Blackbird days.

I wonder if the band is still in the red financially or if they are finally making a little bit a money ...

I hope Myles is finally making a good living as a musician. I know he struggled for a very long time, but with Slash and AB doing really well it would make sense that he is making some good money these days.

We talked with Dan in Orlando and he said they're just now breaking even, so in theory, it should be all financial gain from here on out.
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Postby vChris » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:37 am

zazthespaz wrote:
julio wrote:They significantly improved in US compared to the Blackbird days.

I wonder if the band is still in the red financially or if they are finally making a little bit a money ...

I hope Myles is finally making a good living as a musician. I know he struggled for a very long time, but with Slash and AB doing really well it would make sense that he is making some good money these days.

We talked with Dan in Orlando and he said they're just now breaking even, so in theory, it should be all financial gain from here on out.

Do you mean since they started 10 years ago? Wow. I know that they struggled for some time but that's really crazy :S

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Re: AB's Billboard Boxscore Results

Postby abw1987 » Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:33 am

anguyen92 wrote:I got to think Myles is making a good living as well. He's out on the road for pretty much 80% of the year and, from what I've heard, he's not the kind of guy that would blow away his money easily (unless he goes on a vinyl record spree or guitar spree).

I'm sure he's made out well from the Slash partnership, as well as from AB's European tours. And as you suggested, he's not a guy who needs a ton of money. He still lives in the same house that he did when he was a guitar teacher in Spokane. I'm sure he's happy to be more financially secure these days, but I think he works so hard more because he just loves what he does.
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Re: Unless the next album sucks.

Postby anguyen92 » Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:06 am

vChris wrote:
zazthespaz wrote:
julio wrote:They significantly improved in US compared to the Blackbird days.

I wonder if the band is still in the red financially or if they are finally making a little bit a money ...

I hope Myles is finally making a good living as a musician. I know he struggled for a very long time, but with Slash and AB doing really well it would make sense that he is making some good money these days.

We talked with Dan in Orlando and he said they're just now breaking even, so in theory, it should be all financial gain from here on out.

Do you mean since they started 10 years ago? Wow. I know that they struggled for some time but that's really crazy :S


One would really think on how financially secure the band will be if they started fresh with no association with other mainstream bands whatsoever and did not get themselves tangled in Wind-Up?

That said, for the most part, they look to be in the best shape, financially, than they had ever been since 2006? when they bought out of their Wind-Up record contract.

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Re: AB's Billboard Boxscore Results

Postby agny » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:13 pm

Are the similar ticket prices advance purchase vs. at the venue?
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Re: AB's Billboard Boxscore Results

Postby anguyen92 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:19 pm

I have no idea. I would think advance purchase (the price # on Billboard has got to be the face value without fees).

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Re: AB's Billboard Boxscore Results

Postby agny » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:24 pm

I bought Starland Tickets in advance and found the figures in my email:

Alter Bridge - Starland Ballroom 2014-10-10 - October 10, 2014 at 7:00 PM
1 Advance @ $ 29.50 = $ 29.50 (Tax Included)
1 Service Charge @ $ 9.50 = $ 9.50
1 Electronic Ticket Delivery
Total Cost: $ 39.00
Tax Summary:
Sales Tax $ 1.86
Payment amount: $ 39.00

Starland is all GA, no seats or zones. Looking at their website there are price differences advance vs. at the door. Maybe the total is because they sold mostly but not all advance tickets - looks like the math works that way and I remember they announced it nearly sold out in advance.
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Postby anguyen92 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:30 pm

Hmmm, maybe they do include door prices. When you take the revenue divided by attendance, it comes to be 29.61 which means that $32 price does not make too much of a difference to revenue which means that has to be the price at the door on the day of the show.

Interesting observation there.

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Postby agny » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:38 pm

\m/ math
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Postby Mr. Slash » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:15 pm

How can they make minus when they are capable of making up to 300k in one gig. I really can not believe that the guys never made a plus in 10 years of touring. Especially cause AB is one of the more popular bands these days.
So where did the guys get their money from, if not from touring?

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Postby anguyen92 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:33 pm

I do not think that they lose money when touring after paying the expenses needed to do an AB tour. It's just that some (maybe most) of the profit they make from touring goes into paying the debt they have due to the Wind-Up record contract buyout (which is a large sum). I think it is now or maybe a little more time until they are out of the red on that end.

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Postby abw1987 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:36 pm

From what I heard during the Blackbird tour era, they would typically lose money or barely break even on their US tour runs. Frankly, their attendance numbers aren't much better these days, so they can't be making that much money on US tours. If they are, it's from the VIP packages, guitar lessons, etc. In Europe, however, as "Mr. Slash" said, they are one of the biggest rock bands. They obviously do well over there.
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Postby Mr. Slash » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:41 pm

Still don't get why no one likes AB in the USA. Seems like all of you guys rather listen to the several thousand cheap ass Seether rip offs than to original music. :P


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