TheAlterBridgeNation.com

Fish Tacos wrote:Yep. A lot of people get on Elvis' case, but for me this is one of the biggest obstacles on enjoying stuff post ODR/BB. I think they just like having all those layers for a more complex sound but IMO the only harmonizing should be coming from Mark and it shouldn't be overused.

Lotha wrote:In a lot of the music I like, singers self-harmonize (mostly due to not having competent back vocals, but still ) and I have no problem with that. In fact, I kinda like it. If it's really prominent they can always use a backing track or something (like some of these bands do).

Crumbso wrote:It was a tongue in cheek comment really.

Fish Tacos wrote:

Lotha wrote:In a lot of the music I like, singers self-harmonize (mostly due to not having competent back vocals, but still ) and I have no problem with that. In fact, I kinda like it. If it's really prominent they can always use a backing track or something (like some of these bands do).

Another problem with it for me is that you can't produce it live the same way. The same could be said of bells and some of the other effects they've used but the singing is just such a huge part of it not to be able to reproduce to the same way as the track.

MuffinMcFluffin wrote:

Fish Tacos wrote:

Lotha wrote:In a lot of the music I like, singers self-harmonize (mostly due to not having competent back vocals, but still ) and I have no problem with that. In fact, I kinda like it. If it's really prominent they can always use a backing track or something (like some of these bands do).

Another problem with it for me is that you can't produce it live the same way. The same could be said of bells and some of the other effects they've used but the singing is just such a huge part of it not to be able to reproduce to the same way as the track.

Pretty much this. I sit there going, "Well what are you going to do when the song is performed live?" Then of course, normally it ends up sounding better live heh.

At least they aren't notorious for tuning down their songs for not being able to hit vocal ranges live like most bands do, though it's also probably why they don't sing some of the songs live as well.

One Drew Remains wrote:I'm wondering if Trivium's next album will have screaming again. Matt's aggressive voice is back as evidenced by the live vids on yt. That said, I absolutely love Silence in the Snow.

Mr. Slash wrote:

One Drew Remains wrote:I'm wondering if Trivium's next album will have screaming again. Matt's aggressive voice is back as evidenced by the live vids on yt. That said, I absolutely love Silence in the Snow.

Wrong Thread?

People keep blaming Elvis for these production flaws that AB is having post-Blackbird, but from what I can hear, there were not any big flaws (aside from perhaps the actual musical direction the band wanted to go for, especially with Trivium not wanting to do unclean vocals which to me whatever in either direction) in Slash/Myles/Conspirator's World on Fire or Trivium's Silence in The Snow. Also, people, from what I read in other forums, liked Elvis's production on those albums, so any flaws could lies heavily on Mark and/or Myles insisting that they should do the Myles self-harmonizing (which I can't say I'm a fan of myself).

One Drew Remains wrote:It was. I generally think Elvis' production sounds good. Even on AB III, which for some reason gets universally panned around here. But Silence sounded amazing to me sonically.

Andy92 wrote:I just get ear fatigue when I listen to that album all the way through with headphones, and it's the only AB record that does that to me. It lacks dynamics, you can tell that mostly in Slip when the intro kicks into the main part of the song. There should be a volume change of some sort there, but the levels stay pretty much the same.

Lotha wrote:

MuffinMcFluffin wrote:

Fish Tacos wrote:

Lotha wrote:In a lot of the music I like, singers self-harmonize (mostly due to not having competent back vocals, but still ) and I have no problem with that. In fact, I kinda like it. If it's really prominent they can always use a backing track or something (like some of these bands do).

Another problem with it for me is that you can't produce it live the same way. The same could be said of bells and some of the other effects they've used but the singing is just such a huge part of it not to be able to reproduce to the same way as the track.

Pretty much this. I sit there going, "Well what are you going to do when the song is performed live?" Then of course, normally it ends up sounding better live heh.

At least they aren't notorious for tuning down their songs for not being able to hit vocal ranges live like most bands do, though it's also probably why they don't sing some of the songs live as well.

Yeah guys, it will sound exactly like on the record live (if you use the backing track). Why would you limit your creativity strictly to a live setting just because you don't have so many mouths to sing that one cool part. Or because you can't tour live with an orchestra, but can record with one. I mean it's great when you write with a live setting in mind, what will work, what won't work, but that's not the only way to do it.

cheesedip1 wrote:I get tired of ppl whining about live performances. If things are a bit different from the album, so what?