It starts at 4:04.
John Moyer basically confirms what we already knew.
This is not pretty for Stapp.
Here's the transcript:
And then, for some reason, we decided to do it again with another Scott. We did it with Scott Stapp from Creed. On this record, I did a lot more writing. The record's called The Madness. That was a tough record to make. A lot of sitting in the jam room with Scott Stapp and Bumble and and the whole band and just trying to get everybody on the same page.
I was in a super creative zone at that point, so I brought in a ton of songs: I probably wrote half that record. It was good. It was difficult working with Stapp because you just don't know which Stapp you're gonna get. Like, some days, you're gonna get creative Stapp, and some days, you're gonna get the Stapp who just wants to sit in the corner and say everything sucks. He was kind of moody and he was only into it so much. It was very frustrating. It was like dragging an elephant uphill, sometimes. I don't mind saying this because it turned into an entire sh*tshow.
We signed to a label, again. He had promised to do 90 shows with us. He did six and then bailed. That was all in the contract and I can talk about this because we are in a dispute with him legally. That's already been around, so I'm not letting the cat out of a bag or saying anything that hadn't been already told in the press years ago. It's been years but we're getting to the end of that dispute.
It's frustrating because when you get into a band, you trust people. I want to say it's like a marriage but it's a relationship and when somebody's in that relationship and they're not being truthful and they're there under false reasons and they're already planning an exit plan... You're buying the house and they're trying to figure out a way to ditch you! It hurts. I'm a trusting person. I'm not gonna say I'm naive but I refuse to get hardened. The music industry will break your heart. There's a reason that the SIMS Foundation exists because it is not a mentally friendly industry but I'm not gonna allow that to happen to me. I'm not gonna allow myself to get hardened by things. So even though the thing with Scott Weiland didn't work out, even though Disturbed was on hiatus, even though I had dealt with the losses in Union Underground, a lot of heartbreak, I was still like "all right Scott Stapp, let's go!", fresh and as a daisy and willing to do it even though he didn't have a great history, coming into the camp.
He'd just come off of his whole thing where he was traveling across the country in the back of a truck, homeless. He's telling us all these stories and he's just back sober, so we're his sober camp. We're supporting him. There is no drinking. "What do you need, Scott Stapp, to make make this work? All hands on deck, we believe in you, we want you to be a part of this. You're going to agree to this? Awesome!"
You put all that into somebody, and they turn your back on you?! I don't really have a lot of remorse for that. It really hurt my feelings. It hurt my soul because I put a lot into that record and he had no intention of touring it. So much has come out in the wash that I just can't believe the things that were said that weren't true. So, there's that story! I'm gonna get in trouble for this. Some lawyer is going to call me... I'm just telling the truth, man! It just sucked. Promises were made. They weren't kept and I wouldn't do that to you. I wouldn't do that to you, Jason. I wouldn't do that to you, David. I wouldn't do that to anybody. How people can go through life and do that and think it's okay because they're somebody is the worst kind of rockstar ego I can imagine.
