Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

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Ok, you got me. I've checked the Billboard Boxscore of some of these shows back in 2009. There were indeed good 6-figure scores. I think AB only had like probably like 8 or so in their lifetime where Creed had those scores in a whole tour. You got me. Yes, my jimmies are rustled with that statement. I can accept that.

Anywho, there's a part of me that does want Creed back, but I can understand it if it is not happening because either Stapp is hurt with the conditions that Mark is "allegedly" laying down or that Mark just does not want to make music for Creed anymore. It is what it is, that's just how life is. I'm sorry. Ok. I'm sorry.

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^true. I remember being pissed paying about 140 for a ticket for Atlanta in 09, then paying about 40 bucks for same venue in 2010. The 09 tour was huge though.
anguyen I wasn't trying to cause a fight. I know some people hate that Creed is still bigger than AB after all these years, I was just backing my money statement. Alter Bridge needed money, Creed could get them all the money they couldn't make themselves. Nothing wrong with that.

I have no interest in Creed if they make another Fill Circle. Which is where I think the rest of the guys have evolved musically. That Alter Bridge sound. Seems like the sound of the first 3 albums is a thing of the past.
I don't think the AB crew will ever need money again. So I don't see Cred happening again unless their contract makes them do another album.

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I still blame Wind-Up for AB strapping for financial band stability which lead to all of this. So I guess Wind-Up's masterplan to get Creed back worked after all, for a short while.

Heck, this whole AB buying out of Wind-Up's contract helped me supply all sorts of jokes like "AB's broke, that's why they have low production budgets and so forth. And you know what, they don't need high-tech production and all of that." I can't make those jokes as much now with the settlement deals.

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Didnt they also have to buy out their contract with universal?

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nickgordon wrote:Didnt they also have to buy out their contract with universal?
Yes, they did as well, but I had no idea how much it cost them. Probably not as much as Wind-Up, however.

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can anyone give me the detail as to why they left both labels? just to refresh my memory

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AB left Wind-Up, I believe, because Wind-Up was pushing for a Creed reunion back in 2006 due to the sales of ODR (which would have been mighty decent for any other band) and/or that maybe AB felt that they were not going to get that space they needed from Wind-Up to create Blackbird?

AB left Universal, I think, because of the numerous delays to Live From Amsterdam, amongst not having the support that Roadrunner, today, is giving them?

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Universal didn't promote the band at all. The band disagreed on the label's single choices on Blackbird, and there was just a lack of promotion in general.
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^^ Well, I highly doubt a reason was that the band disagreed on the label's single choices, since they still play them during the live shows (Rise Today, Watch Over You, Before Tomorrow Comes, Ties That Bind(?)).

Though, if I had to guess what their main single would have been, it could have been Ties That Bind or Come to Life with Rise Today and Watch Over You as the 2nd and 3rd singles and that's it.

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Think I'd read somewhere that Myles wanted Buried Alive to be the main single, but Universal ignored that and went with Rise Today anyways, which still did good..

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I know that Wikipedia is not the best source but around mid-2008 it said that Come To Life was going to a single, following up BTC.
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I really think that Mark likes the heavy songs as singles and I think that's because of Creed.

Let's be real: Creed gets a lot of hate from a lot of people. Though I like them, I've seen way too many "Arms Wide Open" parodies and people just making fun of Creed in general. Though "Arms Wide Open" was a very successful song (gave the guys their only Grammy as of now) I think that Mark doesn't like being known as "that guy that played for Creed and wrote that famous song" to a lot of people. He's always been a "metal" guy and other than songs like "Bullets" and such, Creed isn't that heavy. I think the reason he likes being in AB and especially his solo project is it seems he's able to play and write to his fullest potential. I feel like he kind of was held back in Creed because they became known for those radio friendly songs that most people liked and he probably knew metal isn't that popular to the masses so he kind of settled.

Though Creed is good, I think Mark would of wanted them to be heavier but the softer stuff sold more. Just what I think.
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Anyway, I think that Mark could simply say that all because he does not want to carry on with Creed and there was no other nice way to tell Stappy that.

You know, if Scott said "That damned ex-friend of mine told me to go fuck myself with a mop" things could be worse.

So I remain, I'm with Mark on this one. I like Scottie's new album. I used to love Creed. I do not want any new Creed albums.
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GazEd wrote:Anyway, I think that Mark could simply say that all because he does not want to carry on with Creed and there was no other nice way to tell Stappy that.

You know, if Scott said "That damned ex-friend of mine told me to go fuck myself with a mop" things could be worse.

So I remain, I'm with Mark on this one. I like Scottie's new album. I used to love Creed. I do not want any new Creed albums.
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PartyRockstarHammerPornstar wrote:It sucks but Creed is pretty much a money maker for the guys. I think that Stapp and Tremonti looked at in 09 as a way to make money, probably because their side projects as well as Alter Bridge weren't the moneymakers that Creed was. Mark Tremonti's net worth is supposively 150,000,000 so I highly doubt he even cares about the money and hence why he could care less about doing another Creed CD. He's got his legacy, a good band in Alter Bridge and for him it's about doing what he loves, which is rock out. In respect to the relationship he and Stapp have, only they know the truth. I'm personally not a huge fan of Tremonti's band and while Wolfgang is talented, it's more than likely they will never be a successful band the Caliber of AB or Creed. Whitlock and E-Rock couldn't cut it with Submersed, and honestly I really don't understand what he's trying to prove by having another band. If you don't want to be in Creed, fine but why waste great material that could be used for the next big AB album. It really makes no sense. One last comment on Tremonti. His voice isn't great, isn't bad, it just lacks that wow factor that Myles and guys like a Plant or Tyler have. I though his best singing was on Fortress in Water's Rising but honestly if he hadn't had Myles singing in the song it would have been very similar to what we heard on All I Was.
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Not to necropost but I'm wondering how much details from recent events played into this.

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I honestly think this is very similar to Axl/Slash relationship.

The difference is Axl doesn't give that much interview, and today refuse to talk about Slash (which I think is good). But, there are some interview that Axl blame Slash for everything, including the delay on Chinese Democracy. Axl said Slash was so mean to him, that he destroyed his ability to be creative.

I've always look this kind of situation with perspective: how many people work with Slash/Mark just fine? How many people still work with Axl/Stapp? If both are so evil, how can't other people see that?

I can see some truth in what Axl and Stapp said about their counter-partners, but it seems they don't have the ability to look what is wrong in themselves either.

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I've had a face-to-face discussion with Flip about this very subject. And I can tell you this: there's more than one side to every story. Trust me on this.
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Oh, for sure. I've never met the guy but from his interviews I get the vibe that I've worked with guys like Stapp where you have to constantly keep an eye on them and prevent them from wandering off and doing something that's going to adversely impact you later, even if they were only trying to help and they generally think they are. So I don't think it's far fetched he sat down with Stapp to make sure they were on he same page before moving forward with future projects. If Mark was such a bad totalitarian Flip and Brian wouldn't have stuck around all these years.

Plus, the concept of talking shit about someone then following it up with "but I'm praying for them" is such a passive aggressive, dbag thing to say.

Anyway I was just curious if any of the recent relapse news had played into this story from last yearish.

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jripper420 wrote:Scott Stapp Interview from Dec 29th:
Pretty much says all we need to know about Mark and Scott's relationship. Kinda dissapointed in Mark for his attitude< Really Dissapointed :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam :slam


" Good deal. Well, going back to Creed a little. In your book, you seemed like you were interested in doing another album with the guys. There have been tons of rumors all over the internet, but not much else. Do you think that's something that still may be on the table after you finish up touring for Proof of Life?
Scott: Under the current circumstances… No, it's not going to work. Let me tell you why. Right now, Mark has basically said to me, "If you don't use the producer that I want to use - I'm not making a record with you. If you don't perform on stage the way I want you to perform - I don't want to do anything with you. If you don't use Alter Bridge's manager and business manager - I don't want to work with you. And if you don't change the way we've structured the royalties and the finances on the songs that you and I wrote, Scott - I'm not going to work with you." And basically he said, "If you just don't do everything 100% my way," then he doesn't want to do it. I can't do that, man. You know? I want to be an artist. I want things to be as they've always been which is: Mark and I write the songs and I get to express creative thoughts and that we make mutual decisions. I can't be in a situation that's turned into a dictatorship where I'm told that if you don't do everything my way then get away from me. That's basically what's been told to me. [JFH (Michael): Wow…] Even to the point of, "I don't want you walking on certain areas of the stage. I don't want you to have a cat walk because I don't want you out in front of me." Just all of these limitations and all of these rules and all of these, "If you don't do this, then I'm outta here," demands have been put on me. I've tried my best, brother, to be a Christian and do what I feel the Lord is wanting me to do and I just felt in my heart that it became an unhealthy situation. I love those guys and I pray from them every day and wish them the best, but until Creed gets back to a mutual respect between Mark and I -- and not Mark telling me all these things I can and can't do or he's going to walk -- it's not going to happen.
Ya cuz Scott Stapp has totally been able minded enough to put together a believable opinion. Do you think his ISIS-laden family threatened him to do this interview, or was it self willing?
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