Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby AB23 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:23 am

austin. wrote:I dunno.. Georges St Pierre (the face of UFC and really MMA as a whole) is speaking up against the UFC for the sketchiness and wrong doing they do.. hes getting pretty good praise for it.
Had Stapp not spoken up, we'd still be 2 years later not having a single fucking clue. I dont get the Stapp hate for this. Professional? Maybe not. Maybe something we as fans need to know? Sure.
I think the underlying issue is that alot of us are Tremonti fans and cant take him being represented as anything but perfect.

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George St. Pierre isn't part of a team. He is a UFC fighter who brings attention to his bouts by going public with issues of his league. Much like advocates of instant replay in Major League Baseball. Many have gone public voicing their displeasure. That's okay.

But going public with someone you used to work with saying everything is their fault and they're the diva and I did nothing wrong and they want me to do this and that and that and that. That's wrong. Especially coming from someone who has become consistent with bitching to the media.
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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby AB23 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:27 am

austin. wrote:Are all bands as hush hush as Creed or are most bands civil so there's nothing going on behind the scenes to be desired?

I don't think Credd is hush at all. Not cuz of anyone else cuz of Stapp. He just keeps talking. He needs to quit bitching and move on. He's got a fiduciary duty being in the position that he's in, and when young teenagers are looking at Stapp interviews hoping to hear him promoting his album, he's instead spending the time bitching about Mark and saying that nothing is his fault. What a great guy.
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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby nagpo » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:17 am

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austin. wrote:Are all bands as hush hush as Creed or are most bands civil so there's nothing going on behind the scenes to be desired?

I don't think Credd is hush at all. Not cuz of anyone else cuz of Stapp. He just keeps talking. He needs to quit bitching and move on. He's got a fiduciary duty being in the position that he's in, and when young teenagers are looking at Stapp interviews hoping to hear him promoting his album, he's instead spending the time bitching about Mark and saying that nothing is his fault. What a great guy.

The reason why Stapp keeps talking is because he is the frontman. Or at least he's supposed to be. Mark seems to be wanting to take over that position. Stapp does not go on, for example, twitter and spout junk about mark. He only ever talks about this stuff if he's asked first in an interview. And he's not personally attacking him. He's just stating how the relationship is right now.

And, if he does have a fiduciary duty, it is also to the fans. I'm glad stapp is letting us know what is up, even if some of it may not be true. If my favorite band is fucked I want to know why. If things stay hidden their is no pressure put on any parties, and thus no progress is made. A fiduciary duty can only go so far in a professional relationship. If a member of said relationship fucks up royally in some way, the other members are likely to no longer honor and privacy or trust.

That's what happened after creed broke up originally, stapp acted out to much and the other guys left. after tha tmark and he other members did not have nice things to say about him.

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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby AB23 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:22 am

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austin. wrote:Are all bands as hush hush as Creed or are most bands civil so there's nothing going on behind the scenes to be desired?

I don't think Credd is hush at all. Not cuz of anyone else cuz of Stapp. He just keeps talking. He needs to quit bitching and move on. He's got a fiduciary duty being in the position that he's in, and when young teenagers are looking at Stapp interviews hoping to hear him promoting his album, he's instead spending the time bitching about Mark and saying that nothing is his fault. What a great guy.

The reason why Stapp keeps talking is because he is the frontman. Or at least he's supposed to be. Mark seems to be wanting to take over that position. Stapp does not go on, for example, twitter and spout junk about mark. He only ever talks about this stuff if he's asked first in an interview. And he's not personally attacking him. He's just stating how the relationship is right now.

And, if he does have a fiduciary duty, it is also to the fans. I'm glad stapp is letting us know what is up, even if some of it may not be true. If my favorite band is fucked I want to know why. If things stay hidden their is no pressure put on any parties, and thus no progress is made. A fiduciary duty can only go so far in a professional relationship. If a member of said relationship fucks up royally in some way, the other members are likely to no longer honor and privacy or trust.

That's what happened after creed broke up originally, stapp acted out to much and the other guys left. after tha tmark and he other members did not have nice things to say about him.


Let's just say that this is true and Mark "wants to be the frontman." Then why doesn't he go public instead of Stapp? Cuz like you said, Stapp is going public because he's the frontman right? The reason Mark isn't going public isn't because he thinks that Stapp is right, its because its so immature and pointless at this point that its pathetic to even talk about it. The more stapp talks the more unprofessional he looks.
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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby nagpo » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:33 am

Why does Mark not say anything about it? Because he has nothing to lose. He doesn't need creed money anymore, stapp does. Figures he can get stapp to do what he says - with the "it's either myway or the highway." attitude. Stapps not having it and he's letting people know.

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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby riemslag1 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:49 am

I'm a hughe AB-fan, but also like Creed. All current problems have the first split as root-cause, and we all know who's ego was to blame for that mr. Stapp ?! No added value to cry about it now. Seems it's best that both parties go their own way now, concentrate on making nice music and do not blame each other in public in a childish manner for something that probably will not be healed anyway.

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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby AllC392Was » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:07 am

nagpo wrote:Why does Mark not say anything about it? Because he has nothing to lose. He doesn't need creed money anymore, stapp does. Figures he can get stapp to do what he says - with the "it's either myway or the highway." attitude. Stapps not having it and he's letting people know.


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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby BSC » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:50 am

I find it funny how before Stapp starting talking out people were getting frustrated at the lack of the explanation regarding Creed's situation, and when Stapp finally speaks up he's being dismissed for a lack of credibility, and for the fact that it should all be done in private :lol

I don't see any reason strong reason not to completely disbelieve what Scott is saying, he's obviously paraphrased a large amount of interaction between him and Mark in that small paragraph, so it's clear we can't take it with 100% accuracy. At the end of day, I'm not too bothered, regardless of whether Scott and Mark are giant assholes, they've written music that I've enjoyed and I'll probably continue to enjoy what they write.

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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby Andy92 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:20 pm

BSC wrote:I find it funny how before Stapp starting talking out people were getting frustrated at the lack of the explanation regarding Creed's situation, and when Stapp finally speaks up he's being dismissed for a lack of credibility, and for the fact that it should all be done in private :lol

This so much. :lol
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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby AB23 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:46 pm

I never gave a shit that there was no explanation. Their actions spoke for them. It doesn't take a genius to tell what happened
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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby Jaredr24 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:57 pm

Apparently Stapp isn't that desperate for money because if he was he'd probably just suck it up and do things Mark's way so he would get paid.

But personally, I just think Mark is tired of Creed and kind of don't blame him. I'm not sure what his real intentions were for bringing Creed back in 09 were but things just seemed so different. Full Circle was good but it sounded too much like AB to me instrumentally. You can tell that's where his mindset was and still is. But I really don't think Mark wants to go back to Creed, especially after forming his solo project but I don't even think Stapp really wants to go back either because he would of at least try working things with Mark and by the things he says in these interviews, he doesn't want to work things out. He just wants to blame Mark and expect him to apologize. Even if Mark has been a jerk about things, (which I don't think he has), at least try to be respectful and talk to him about the future. You'll never reach compromise if there's no communication to begin with.
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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby PartyRockstarHammerPornstar » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:54 pm

It sucks but Creed is pretty much a money maker for the guys. I think that Stapp and Tremonti looked at in 09 as a way to make money, probably because their side projects as well as Alter Bridge weren't the moneymakers that Creed was. Mark Tremonti's net worth is supposively 150,000,000 so I highly doubt he even cares about the money and hence why he could care less about doing another Creed CD. He's got his legacy, a good band in Alter Bridge and for him it's about doing what he loves, which is rock out. In respect to the relationship he and Stapp have, only they know the truth. I'm personally not a huge fan of Tremonti's band and while Wolfgang is talented, it's more than likely they will never be a successful band the Caliber of AB or Creed. Whitlock and E-Rock couldn't cut it with Submersed, and honestly I really don't understand what he's trying to prove by having another band. If you don't want to be in Creed, fine but why waste great material that could be used for the next big AB album. It really makes no sense. One last comment on Tremonti. His voice isn't great, isn't bad, it just lacks that wow factor that Myles and guys like a Plant or Tyler have. I though his best singing was on Fortress in Water's Rising but honestly if he hadn't had Myles singing in the song it would have been very similar to what we heard on All I Was.

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Postby jripper420 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:01 pm

I really think it's funny how because I shared my opinion and posted an article that everyone had to make it sound like I'm trying to roast Tremonti. I think stapp was a douche back in the day but that doesn't necessarily make Trenonti a saint. I'm sure there is a lot of garbage as it related to the both of them to blame the current state of affairs on. I just feel that they are like little kids each WANs things their way( kinda reminds me of Axl Rose and Slash. Two immensely talented guys each with a shit ton of baggage, talent and ego. I hope it never gets to that point with stapp and Tremonte but it sure seems like we're heading there..Tremonti I love your guitar work and AB but please enough with the side projects. Pick one Creed or AB and stick with it. That's is all....

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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby Jhenrid » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:27 pm

I think people think of you like that because Stapp has said that before in an article so it looks like you're just trying to kick up some drama. You may not be, you may not have read the other interview where he said the same thing.

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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby AB23 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:52 pm

PartyRockstarHammerPornstar wrote:It sucks but Creed is pretty much a money maker for the guys. I think that Stapp and Tremonti looked at in 09 as a way to make money, probably because their side projects as well as Alter Bridge weren't the moneymakers that Creed was. Mark Tremonti's net worth is supposively 150,000,000 so I highly doubt he even cares about the money and hence why he could care less about doing another Creed CD. He's got his legacy, a good band in Alter Bridge and for him it's about doing what he loves, which is rock out. In respect to the relationship he and Stapp have, only they know the truth. I'm personally not a huge fan of Tremonti's band and while Wolfgang is talented, it's more than likely they will never be a successful band the Caliber of AB or Creed. Whitlock and E-Rock couldn't cut it with Submersed, and honestly I really don't understand what he's trying to prove by having another band. If you don't want to be in Creed, fine but why waste great material that could be used for the next big AB album. It really makes no sense. One last comment on Tremonti. His voice isn't great, isn't bad, it just lacks that wow factor that Myles and guys like a Plant or Tyler have. I though his best singing was on Fortress in Water's Rising but honestly if he hadn't had Myles singing in the song it would have been very similar to what we heard on All I Was.


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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby austin. » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:44 pm

Wonder if their contract required an album to be done every x amount of years and that time was comng up hence the reunion? Plausible maybe?
Or maybe money. Alter Bridge were nobodies then and couldn't make any money, rumor has it they were going under financially. I'm sure that Creed tour cycle made them more money alone than Alter Bridge has made in ten years.

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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby Andy92 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:46 pm

I've heard they had albums left on that Windup contract, not sure if there was a timeframe to get them done though.
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Postby anguyen92 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:51 pm

austin. wrote:Wonder if their contract required an album to be done every x amount of years and that time was comng up hence the reunion? Plausible maybe?
Or maybe money. Alter Bridge were nobodies then and couldn't make any money, rumor has it they were going under financially. I'm sure that Creed tour cycle made them more money alone than Alter Bridge has made in ten years.


That's kinda a demeaning statement. After all, AB did a great Europe tour back in 2008, with a lot of room to grow in their fanbase, there, which did happen, but I guess that does not really matter as much.

In fact, I would really would like to say that AB could make close about 80% of the money in Europe that Creed would make in the states if they were still touring today. But of course, I'm bias, therefore I'm just a plain ignorant idiot, am I?

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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby austin. » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:54 pm

You'd think there'd be some time stipulation on how long they can wait in between albums. 8 years or whatever doesn't sound like a realistic number. 10 years I could see. 5 years. Etc.

Edit. It is a bold statement. Yes. The album sold 110k in the first week. I d@nt think Alter Bridge has sold anywhere close to that. Creed was playing 10-20k venues for I believe like 50 dates the first tour. Repeated that in 2010. Then little shows in 2012. Plus the gigantic overseas shows. I know that statement mightve made he AB diehards butthurt. But i think it is what it is..
ill try to find some numbers. But I'm sure Creed made millions in those 4 years.
the 09 tour on the 10-15 dates this guy posted grossed 200k-400k a night. That's a huge amount of money, times fifty dates, on one tour.
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Re: Finally the Truth about Creed's Second Breakup

Postby Andy92 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:00 pm

2010 tour tickets were only $20 for a seat and $10 for lawn though. Pretty cheap. The others were more expensive though.
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