Revisiting Full Circle

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby Ryan » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:19 pm

oh shit, cover's been blown.
Photobucket cash grab.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby chtimixeur » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:39 am

Torsten wrote:Total Guitar Magazine [United Kingdom] (August, 2018)

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Faceless Man used to be his favourite.
It's a weird choice, since he's only played it 18 times.
https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/cree ... ?song=Time

Also, notice how he says "Back in the Creed days".

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby LosingPatience » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:56 am

Them Bones wrote:I listened to To whom It May Concern after listening to the entire Full Circle album, man..this song alone single handedly destroys the entire Full Circle album.



^^^^^^This

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby Dolo » Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:32 am

Just realized that his album just turned 10 a few days ago. Incredible how time files.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby nagpo » Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:41 pm

Dolo wrote:Just realized that his album just turned 10 a few days ago. Incredible how time files.

apparently the band forgot too

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby George » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:01 am

Ten years...time flies, man.

Weird that the breakup between 2003-2009 is actually shorter than what they have now, from 2013-2019(20).

I like Full Circle but it doesn't bring me the same feeling I got with the old stuff.

My favorites are:
Overcome, A Thousand Faces, Time and On My Sleeve.

Don't like most of the riffs and melodies on the album.
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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby Dolo » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:27 am

I think that if it had been a debut album by another alternative metal band people would call it a hell of a start. It's a decent record, but yeah, doesn't sound like Creed a lot and it feels like Mark just used those churned out unused AB ideas to make this album.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby nagpo » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:09 pm

George wrote:Ten years...time flies, man.

Weird that the breakup between 2003-2009 is actually shorter than what they have now, from 2013-2019(20).

I like Full Circle but it doesn't bring me the same feeling I got with the old stuff.

My favorites are:
Overcome, A Thousand Faces, Time and On My Sleeve.

Don't like most of the riffs and melodies on the album.

My favorite lyrics on the record are found in bread of shame. only song on the record that sounded like creed was a thousand faces.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby TheEndisHere » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:10 pm

nagpo wrote:
George wrote:Ten years...time flies, man.

Weird that the breakup between 2003-2009 is actually shorter than what they have now, from 2013-2019(20).

I like Full Circle but it doesn't bring me the same feeling I got with the old stuff.

My favorites are:
Overcome, A Thousand Faces, Time and On My Sleeve.

Don't like most of the riffs and melodies on the album.

My favorite lyrics on the record are found in bread of shame. only song on the record that sounded like creed was a thousand faces.

I disagree the only songs that don't sound like Creed are Suddenly, Fear, and Overcome and you could make a case that those harder & faster songs have roots in Bullets & What if. It all sounds like Creed to me.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby Devil Inside You » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:56 pm

With this quarantine in place and my job having me work from home, I was able to revisit Full Circle yesterday! I was pulling weeds in the back and decided to spin the album while I did it.

I still think this is Creed's weakest album, but there's a lot to admire. The riffs show a very experimental side of Creed I think most of their detractors would not expect. On top of that, Stapp really commits to working with that sound. Albeit his voice is really weak in some parts, but that same passion and excitement is there. Overall, I consider One Day Remains, and The Great Divide to be closer to Creed than this album. I remember hearing Brian say in regards to the material for Full Circle that he wasn't sure which songs would be used for Alter Bridge and which would be used for Creed. Which makes sense considering AB III and Full Circle remind me a lot of each other. I even think Isolation and Overcome are similar songs structurally.

Overall, Stapp sounds too much like Hugo Ferriera and Mark's playing is too heavy for it to stand up to the first three records. If they followed this up with the back to roots album in 2012 and kept expanding on their sound from there I think I would appreciate Full Circle more as a one off experimental ditty. As the potential last Creed album ever though it still disappoints me.

Overcome, A Thousand Faces, Rain, Fear, Silent Teacher and Full Circle are my favorite tracks. I hope someday they can close a show out with the song Full Circle, and actually mean the lyrics this time.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby chtimixeur » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:41 am

It's average, and Creed was never average in the first place.
This is why this album is a disaster for their legacy.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby cheesedip1 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:33 pm

Freedom Fighter is a heavy song, but it doesn’t sound nearly as heavy in the live videos on YouTube.

Probably because they aren’t using a six string bass live (which is what was used on the record).

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby Dolo » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:47 pm

cheesedip1 wrote:
Probably because they aren’t using a six string bass live (which is what was used on the record).


Any source of that info? Mark recorded the bass on Weathered and it seems that they used a 5 string bass because that tune has a low D note.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby cheesedip1 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:14 pm

I used to have the album booklet back in the day. So that’s what I remember reading.

But maybe my memory is wrong idk.

Maybe it was a 5 string bass.

Regardless, they must have been only using a 4 string bass live then.

Edit: I just watched the live video. Maybe it’s exactly like it was on the record. I may have spoke too soon.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby Dolo » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:42 am

The difference between the 5 string and 6 string is that you have an extra string but not at the bottom but at the top (mostly it's a C) so it wouldn't impact the heaviness.
But Mark plays an 5 string in this video anyway (1:13):



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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby chtimixeur » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:27 am

I had never seen that!
It's nice to see Mark and Stapp running and playing baseball together.
They've said so many times that the band was done and it was just a business after Human Clay, and this video shows that they were actually still good friends in 2001.
That's the kind of stuff they should all look at, in order to remember it was not as bad as they now think it was.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby nagpo » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:19 pm

that was cool thanks for sharing

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby Devil Inside You » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:29 pm

Creed is one of those things where we'll never know how bad it got until, or if, Mark writes a tell all book. Considering how much Mark avoids drama I doubt we'll see that. However, you look at videos like that Weathered one, or this one with Stapp and Flip and you wonder how it could have been as bad as they described in that magazine three years later. Look at this interview, Stapp and Flip genuinely seem like best bros. However, Brett Hestla filed a NDA agreement saying he can't discuss anything that went down and Creed and that he hasn't spoken to Stapp since like 2003. It just makes you wonder how everything lines up and how its the same Stapp. I figure that atrocious performance of Who's Got My Back? is probably when everything just went to hell and Mark and Flip decided they wanted something different but I guess only they know for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR4InDSsWj8

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby chtimixeur » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:57 am

What he says at 3:05 about getting heavier on future albums is very frustrating.
We'll never know how awesome this band would/could have been in the 2000's. I'm sure they still had two great top-to-bottom albums in them, at least.

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Re: Revisiting Full Circle

Postby Devil Inside You » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:37 pm

Its all hyperbole but I think they had at least two more multi platinum albums in them. I listened to One Day Remains in full this passed weekend and as much as I love Myles, this would have slayed as a Creed album. Imagine how huge Solace, Open Your Eyes and Broken Wings would have been under Creed's name? On top of that, imagine if In Loving Memory was a Creed song? That could have easily been their With Arms Wide Open of the 2000s. One Day Remains is basically the lost fourth Creed album and you can see how heavy they were going on songs like Find the Real, Metalingus, Watch Your Words and of course the title track. Stapp had a few heavier ideas to with Reach Out, Fight Song and Hard Way. Oh well, such is life.


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