“A Dying Machine” Listening Party Thread

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Postby SHEAKENBAKEN » Sun May 13, 2018 5:22 pm

Mr. Slash wrote:What exactly is processed in Providence?

I think Ubik is referring to the same spot but just for good measure, its the part after the solo and before the last chorus...

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Postby Andy92 » Sun May 13, 2018 5:30 pm

There might be a handful of processed sounding vocals on this one as a stylistic choice given the theme of the record with human-like machines.
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Postby SHEAKENBAKEN » Sun May 13, 2018 5:33 pm

Andy92 wrote:There might be a handful of processed sounding vocals on this one as a stylistic choice given the theme of the record with human-like machines.

Honesty Id hope I'd be okay with that but Im not sure :lol Marks unprocessed vocals sound best :lol But my bias might say he also has the best processed vocals too :lol
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Postby melosophy » Sun May 13, 2018 5:54 pm

Tough crowd. I was there and the entire album is damn good; a great balance. Rather than dissecting every single thing and placing labels... ENJOY THE MUSIC! Looking forward to the release.

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Postby Mr. Slash » Sun May 13, 2018 6:15 pm

melosophy wrote: Rather than dissecting every single thing and placing labels


You can't say stuff like that in a fan forum where all the die hards hang out! We even would analyze Mark's breakfast or the color of his socks (most likely black) if we had the opportunity!

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Postby SHEAKENBAKEN » Sun May 13, 2018 6:16 pm

Mr. Slash wrote:
melosophy wrote: Rather than dissecting every single thing and placing labels


You can't say stuff like that in a fan forum where all the die hards hang out! We even would analyze Mark's breakfast or the color of his socks (most likely black) if we had the opportunity!

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Postby Andy92 » Sun May 13, 2018 7:11 pm

melosophy wrote:Tough crowd. I was there and the entire album is damn good; a great balance. Rather than dissecting every single thing and placing labels... ENJOY THE MUSIC! Looking forward to the release.

Some people don’t enjoy the “poppy songs” but I prefer an album with a mix of styles. The singles we’ve heard so far are all different and I like that.
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Postby JPSCHULZ82 » Sun May 13, 2018 7:14 pm

melosophy wrote:Tough crowd. I was there and the entire album is damn good; a great balance. Rather than dissecting every single thing and placing labels... ENJOY THE MUSIC! Looking forward to the release.


I respectfully disagree. I don't think any of Creed's, AB's, or Tremonti's albums are completely good even though Human Clay Fortress and Dust were close.

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Postby JPSCHULZ82 » Sun May 13, 2018 7:25 pm

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JPSCHULZ82 wrote:From the Sky has an unexpected third quarter where Mark's voice is highly processed. I had a hard time understanding what was being sung but still think the song will be top 5 for me. Legions, Throw them to the Lions, Traipse, and As The Silence Becomes Me did not stand out on first listen.


Could the processed vocal part in From The Sky be compared to the part in Providence where it is too? Or is it even more processed?

JPSCHULZ82 wrote:Desolation is one that I want to go back and listen to because it starts pretty soft and slow and then ramps up the volume and heaviness. Then abruptly goes back to quiet again.


Its nice to hear a song has that heavy-soft dynamic within it rather than just the album over all.

JPSCHULZ82 wrote:I was there. From The Sky, Make Them Hurt, and A Lot Like Sin were my favorites. Fast and Heavy. I thought Trust had a boring chorus. First and Last might be the most poppy song they've done and was my least favorite. Found was the instrumental song. They played the entire album so loud that by the time the band got up to play Mark sounded like a chipmunk to me.


The First The Last the most poppy song? Even more than Take You With Me?! :eek


Mark's voice sounded extremely digital and metallic on Falling From the Sky. It was cool but took me by surprise. I wouldn't say like Providence. I do like the contrast of finger picked and aggressive chugging. First and Last may end up being the skip song (like You Will Be Remembered) for me. I will have to give it a few listens.

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Postby JPSCHULZ82 » Sun May 13, 2018 7:27 pm

Ooh! Mark's processing kind of reminds me of Optimus Prime and Megatron in the Transformers movies.

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Postby SHEAKENBAKEN » Sun May 13, 2018 7:31 pm

JPSCHULZ82 wrote:Ooh! Mark's processing kind of reminds me of Optimus Prime and Megatron in the Transformers movies.

That's certainly not something I'd expect :lol but hey if they wanted to do it that way then I'm 100% okay with stuff like that in songs! :peace
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Postby WaywardOne » Sun May 13, 2018 8:45 pm

Ok so heavy criticisms aside... how does the album compare to previous ones? What about the lyrics, could anyone get a sense for the story? I have many questions lol

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Postby abw1987 » Sun May 13, 2018 8:51 pm

Hey everyone, been absent from the boards for a while (work keeping me way too busy these days) but had the pleasure of attending the listening party last night. Finally settled in back at home and happy to report the event was a blast!

Gatherings like these always replenish my faith in rock n' roll. People have traveled from far and wide to support their favorite band, everyone knows all the words to the songs, and you can just feel the excitement in the air.

The album is fabulous of course. This band continues to shine in both songwriting and musicianship. Unfortunately I didn't take notes this time around but I remember really liking "A Lot Like Sin" and "Desolation", the latter of which starts as more of a ballad but builds into a powerful crescendo. The final song, "Found" is an instrumental with some interesting production/sound effects. I had lost track of the songs and just thought it was an outro for the last track, so it's a cool way to wrap up the album.

Overall the sound is still unmistakably Tremonti, but it does feel like they are taking some more risks in the breadth of their style. Hardcore metal fans might scoff at some of the softer material, whereas rock fans might find the aggressive elements excessive. Personally I like the variety and I think it adds to the storytelling that the album purports to do as a concept record. I'm really excited to sit down with it in June and really soak it in.

The live performance was killer as well. They kicked off with the live debut of "Bringer of War", which is quickly becoming one of my favorite songs of the year. They also played the two other new songs off of A Dying Machine. The title track translates really well live, and I have to say "Take You Wish Me" has really grown on me since hearing it last night. Other than that they played many of the old crowd favorites like "Brains" and "Wish You Well", which were a blast. The audience was really into it, which made the whole thing so much fun.

Anyway it was great seeing everyone there -- both old friends and new! Looking forward to seeing you all next time. :headbang
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WaywardOne wrote:Ok so heavy criticisms aside... how does the album compare to previous ones? What about the lyrics, could anyone get a sense for the story? I have many questions lol


Tough to say after only one full listen where my eardrums felt like they were being jackhammered on. My initial impression is that it will be my third favorite after Dust and All I Was. It seemed like the latter half of the album will require repeat plays to dissect all of the lyrics and connect to the story. I do agree with others that it is diverse and should have something for everybody. One final thing - Garrett Whitlock deserves some praise. His drumming is exceptional and I can't remember which song it is on ADM where he has quite a nice intro.

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Made it back home a couple of hours ago and have had some time to unwind, relax, and collect my thoughts after a very long weekend. It was all a blur, so forgive the rambling but here’s my stream of thoughts looking back on the past few days. WARNING: it will be lengthy and all over the place

Before The LP
Drove down to Orlando with two of my bandmates Thursday morning and stayed with our former drummer. Had a nice night of drinks and the pool before the weekend really started. The next day, we started by hitting up a really famous local restaurant that has the best BBQ I’ve ever had in my life. If you’re ever in the Orlando area, check out Yellow Dog Eats, you won’t regret it. From there, spent a couple of hours kayaking in the sun at the springs with some drinks and ended up seeing a couple of gators before immediately heading downtown to World of Beer for the Army of 12 get together. Big thanks to Maggie for putting it together, met some awesome AB/Tremonti fans whose names I totally forgot but were great to drink and hang out with. Unfortunately couldn’t make it to the concert afterwards but it heard it was a great time as well!

Day of The Show
Got a chance to sleep in before heading to a nice little French café for lunch and immediately went over the The Social for the LP. Finally got to meet another forum member, which was awesome. Chris (C3PO) is an awesome dude, get to meet him if you haven’t already! We waited outside the venue with his group of friends and a couple others for a few hours before the doors opened. Heard the band soundchecking the songs and man did that get us hyped. A couple of us acted like huge nerds and pressed our faces up against the glass to see what was going on. From what I remember, they soundchecked Another Heart, Bringer of War (twice), A Dying Machine, Take You With Me, Betray Me, and Dust. A meaty soundcheck for sure, but it helped pass the time along for us outside. We were the first 5-6 in line, which was a first for me. 5:00 finally rolled around and they let us in for Meet and Greet and pictures with the band, always great getting to talk to the guys. So humble and down to earth, it’s really encouraging to me. And now on to the good stuff...

A DYING MACHINE LISTENING PARTY
After pizza was dished out and all the photos had been taken, Supa Dave came out and ran down the flow of the night and introduced each song as they went through the album. A couple of thoughts that I can remember about each song before going into the album overall...

BRINGER OF WAR: This song really is a great album opener. Was bummed it came out before the LP, would’ve been nice for this one to have been a surprise to start the night. The crowd was REALLY into this one as it was fresh in our minds. Wasn’t sold on it at first, but after hearing it here and being performed live, it’s really grown on me and I can say I love it

FROM THE SKY: This one is from the teaser they put out a few months ago, and it got a great reception as well. It’s soaring melodically, but what I thought was a pre-chorus or tag is just the song’s chorus (if you can call it that) which was kind of disappointing. Would have liked them to take that melody and build on it to make a full chorus. There is a cool rhythmic change in the bridge that caught me off guard. Big song, a lot of people will like this one

A DYING MACHINE: This was so much fun to listen to in a group. Everybody knew all the words and sang along at the top of their lungs. Huge clap going along with the hi hat in the buildup to the chorus that made Eric happy from the side of the stage. Really captures the vibe of the overall album very well

TRUST: This one felt like a pretty standard mid-tempo AB/Tremonti song to me. Not saying it’s a bad thing, but it didn’t come off as overly memorable. Remember wishing more from the chorus, but Chris really liked the song so take it with a grain of salt

THROW THEM TO THE LIONS: This one is HEAVY. Possibly the heaviest on the album. I think this is one of the songs that had a filtered drum intro that gradually built into a cannon explosion. I remember being very impressed by Garrett and by Mark’s vocals in this one. A LOT of people liked this one

MAKE IT HURT: I kind of feel bad for this one being placed where it was. It felt VERY similar to the previous song as far as the vibe, so in a crowded room at high volumes and hearing it for the first time, it didn’t stand out as much some of the other ones. Will need to hear it again for sure, might have stood out better coming after a different song

TRAIPSE: This one starts broken down on acoustic and I could swear I’ve heard the line before but can’t remember where from. Very nice vocal performance from Mark, and this song gradually builds and gets big in certain sections. Wish I could remember more about the melody, but at this point ear fatigue was already starting to set in

THE FIRST THE LAST: I remember being REALLY impressed by this song, and I know a lot of people liked this one too. I believe there’s a poll going around for favorite song from the new record and this is the one. It’s another one that starts on acoustic, and is for sure more of the Tremonti ballad type that either you like or don’t like. I was really impressed by Mark’s vocals here as well, beautiful song. A lot of you are going to really enjoy this one.

-At this point, my ears were REALLY taking a beating and the next 3 songs were starting to blend together. A Lot Like Sin, The Day When Legions Burned, and As The Silence Becomes Me were cool and one of them was one of my favorites instrumentally, but I can’t pick it out from memory. Will need to re-listen for sure to get a more solid opinion on these songs. I do remember thinking “As The Silence Becomes Me” wouldn’t have been my choice as the last pre-release song, though. That would go to either “The First The Last” or one that comes up really soon...

TAKE YOU WITH ME: I know this song has people divided, but I’m on the side of people who absolutely adore this song. I love the pop-punk genre to begin with and this song reminds me of that. This one is a LOT of fun to listen to with a group of people and sing along with. I’ve gotten used to that key change and actually really enjoy the bridge. I hope this song does well for Mark and the guys, I think it was a perfect lead single and one of my favorites from the album.

DESOLATION: And now to the other song that I think should be the final pre-release. This song is AWESOME and would have been a great way to end the album on it’s own right. Starts acoustically and builds to so many ups and downs, starts and stops. Mark’s and Eric’s vocals here are KILLER, I remember some really cool harmonies happening towards the end of the song. Probably my second favorite of the unheard songs, and a lot of people enjoyed it as well.

FOUND: This might disappoint some people, but this is NOT the “Tremonti instrumental” you think you’re gonna get. Chris summed this up perfectly immediately after hearing it, this song is what you would hear in the end credits of the “A Dying Machine” movie after the story has been told. After having my ears blown out for an hour, this song is quiet and hard to make out what was going on, but think something similar to the intros and outros from Breaking Benjamin's last two albums, just twice the length. Sounded like there was a lot of filters/atmospheric production things going on, this song felt like it was building to a big explosion but never gets there.

OVERALL THOUGHTS:
I thought this was a REALLY solid album. No way in hell for me to rank it with the others right now, the listening environment was less than ideal with 300 people around at ear splitting volumes and bass shaking the room. So a lot of it was hard to make out and started to sound similar after a while, but this for sure is a good album. Cannot wait to hear it again.

-It’s Mark’s heaviest album for sure overall, but there is a LOT of diversity here. You have all the genres of rock covered here from AB/Tremonti anthemic rock, thrash metal, pop punk, etc, but also a ton of sonic variety as of well. There are a couple of cool song intros/outros with some neat production happening with high pass filtering and such, from what I could tell Elvis did a good job on this one.

-There is more acoustic on this album than any of his previous solo records, and it really hints back to when Mark said he wanted to make a double album with one of the albums being heavy songs and then the other one being acoustic-based. This had that concept all over it, and the variety helps ensure that there is something for everyone.

This band keeps getting better and better, it feels like a very mature album and the guys keep stepping up their game. I specifically need to highlight Garrett’s drumming and Mark’s vocals, they were both constantly blowing me away.

My favorites after one listen: Bringer of War, From the Sky, A Dying Machine, The First The Last, Take You With Me, Desolation

THE CONCERT:
After a short break, the guys came up on stage to a crowd very eager to see them. After seeing AB/Tremonti shows for 4 years now, I finally got on the rail (or in this case, right against the stage), dead center in front of Mark’s monitors and his two 4x12. It was absolute surreal seeing my favorite musician perform 3 feet in front of me. They started the show with Bringer of War, and it was a BANGER. They need to start every show with this until the end of time, it sounds fantastic and the crowd loved it. The guys were on point all night, every song could have been considered a highlight. I had a funny moment with Mark before one of the songs when he didn’t quite have his cable plugged in as it started and we both had a look at each other and laughed. A really cool moment was when he brought his wife on stage (who they modeled the character on the T-shirts, album, and lyric video after) which I thought was very interesting. Hearing Dust live was surreal for me. It was a huge song for me when it came out and I never got to see them during the Dust cycle, so I had goosebumps the whole time during that song. They only played the 3 released songs from the new album, but I was still happy with the set overall. I lost my voice, blew out my ears (still ringing loudly), and was completely drained but it was so worth it to experience the show that I did.

It was an incredible weekend and one that I’ll never forget. It was an honor to meet so many awesome AB/Tremonti fans and get to be a part of something very special. You guys are all in for a treat, this album kicks major ass! And to anyone seeing the guys live the next few months, enjoy because they are firing on all cylinders. Sorry for rambling, thanks for reading all this!
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Postby fix » Mon May 14, 2018 5:12 am

Thanks for the lengthy ‘review’, was a pleasure to read! Looking forward to hearing the songs myself.

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Postby Mr. Slash » Mon May 14, 2018 5:23 am

So this will be Mark's heaviest album so far? Well, looking at the 3 released singles this is kinda hard to believe.

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Postby JPSCHULZ82 » Mon May 14, 2018 7:29 am

Nice review from AHart96. My ears are still ringing too. I'm amazed at how people are responding to The First The Last. It just didn't do anything for me but hey, that's the cool thing about music. People react to it in different ways.

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Postby WaywardOne » Mon May 14, 2018 10:12 am

THANK YOU AHART! These are the kind of reviews that get me super hyped after listening parties :rockon

Quick question - you mentioned Throw Them To The Lions as probably the heaviest on the album... how would you say it compares to Tremonti's heaviest on other albums (I consider that to mean Wish You Well, Arm Yourself and Betray Me, btw)?

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Postby AHart96 » Mon May 14, 2018 11:21 am

WaywardOne wrote:THANK YOU AHART! These are the kind of reviews that get me super hyped after listening parties :rockon

Quick question - you mentioned Throw Them To The Lions as probably the heaviest on the album... how would you say it compares to Tremonti's heaviest on other albums (I consider that to mean Wish You Well, Arm Yourself and Betray Me, btw)?

From what I remember, it can certainly be compared to Arm Yourself out of the three you listed in terms of aggression, instrumentation, and vocal delivery
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