Tremonti pt #4 - A Dying Machine

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Postby ToNsOFuN88 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:00 pm

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SHEAKENBAKEN wrote:*Erocks harmonies are on point!

Perhaps one of his finest moments with Tremonti? His backing vocals during 'take me onnnnnn' & 'but the time is gonnnnne' are unreal! :)

I really like how they did onnnnnnnn in the lyrics take me onnnnnnnnnn. Normally, Tremonti will sing all three notes, but here he stops and holds the second note while Erock drops down to the lower 3rd note. Sounds great how it harmonizes with Tremonti's held second note. Brilliant.

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Postby joshuabeau » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:57 pm

Troops4Tremonti wrote:This is, perhaps, the first time that Mark Tremonti (solo, Creed, or AB) released a song that was almost completely uninspiring in any way.

There is absolutely nothing special about As the Silence Becomes Me. There are no hooks whatsoever. I said "almost completely uninspiring" because I somewhat liked the intro a little. Other than that, the vocals on the verses are awkward and the chorus is just a dumpster fire. The bridge also did nothing for me. I was hoping he would at least try and salvage something with a guitar solo, but not even that.

MT is about the only dude left that can churn out one good song after another, but this may have been the worst song he's ever written. I know everyone is hyped for the new album and I'm pretty stoked. But at the end of the day, regardless of who it is or what the situation is, if a song is trash I'll call it trash - and this song is trash. :shrug

Go easy on me. lol.

Calling this song “trash”... wow. If you don’t like it, I get that. But don’t go calling it trash, that’s super fucking disrespectful.

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Re: Tremonti pt #4 - A Dying Machine

Postby SHEAKENBAKEN » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:28 pm

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Mark Tremonti, for any who are unaware, is one of the most creative, ingenious and inspiring guitar players in modern metal (yes, I am a fan). Having decided that the creative outlet of his current band, Alter Bridge, was not enough, he started his solo side project, Tremonti, and launched their debut full length back in 2012. Six years later sees the release of album number four, A Dying Machine: the first concept album to be written by the legendary guitarist. The album is also set to be accompanied by a novel, co-authored by Tremonti himself alongside sci-fi/fantasy author John Shirley (Borderlands: The Fallen, Bioshock: Rapture). Unfortunately, the novel is, at the time of writing, unfinished, although is hopefully to be completed in time for the album release on the 8th of June. Set at the turn of the next century, the story is described by the band as ‘an emotionally charged narrative, spanning obsession, unrequited love, and destruction’. In an interview with Billboard, Tremonti revealed further details of the story, describing a war between humans and artificial humanoids called ‘vessels’ (further details can be found in the full interview). Intrigued at this new direction, it was with great excitement, and a certain amount of trepidation, that I clicked play…

If, upon hearing the term ‘concept album’, anyone was hoping for a complex and musically intimate beginning then they are in for a disappointment. Album opener, Bringer of War, starts with a brief military-esq snare drum driven introduction before going straight for the jugular with a fast-paced riff that wouldn’t sound out of place on a Motӧrhead album. Powerful vocals, tight guitar playing, and a hook laden chorus are present and correct, all tied together by the powerhouse drumming of Garrett Whitlock. From The Sky follows in much the same vein. I would normally accuse a chorus made up of simply ‘woah oh’ to be lazy song writing, but given the quality of lyric writing on offer throughout the album I will let them have this one. Title track, A Dying Machine, is the first track to sound like it was consciously written around a narrative: the opening section is an intense and aggressive address from the human perspective, whereas the second (or pre-chorus) section has a much gentler and remorseful sound, with the lyrics now being sung as if by the ‘vessel’ protagonist. While the sense of an overarching story/concept is quite clear in the title track, it is less so in others. Bringer of War, A Dying Machine, Trust and Desolation all identify with a theme, whereas tracks like Throw Them To The Lions and Take You With Me have a less obvious connection. This is quite a safe approach from Tremonti, as it means that there is a story there for those who are inclined to look for it, but for a casual listener there is nothing lost in just listening to random tracks as the mood strikes.

From a musical perspective, A Dying Machine does little to deviate from what fans will expect of a Tremonti album. There are mosh pit ready behemoths in Throw Them To The Lions and The Day When Legions Burned; The First The Last forms the obligatory ballad; Make It Hurt has a riff that will set the hands of guitarists everywhere twitching, before launching into yet another massive chorus. That is not to say that Tremonti has tried nothing new here. A particular highlight is Trust, a rare moment where the bass guitar takes dominance and provides a rhythmic driving force at the fore, with the beautiful harmonic guitar line forming the back drop. It is just a shame that the chorus doesn’t live up to the rest of the song. Tremonti’s ability to create original and creative chord progressions is once again shown on As Silence Becomes Me: a haunting track with a deeply saddening chorus that almost made me feel guilty on behalf of the humans who had abandoned the protagonist. The First The Last has already been mentioned as the ballad on the album and, while a moving and memorable track, Dust remains the Tremonti ballad to beat. Some fans won’t approve of it leaning towards pop music territory at times (that four-on-the-floor first chorus for instance) but I’m sure their anger will be contained to the comments section of Youtube. Towards the end of the album there is a swift turn into old-school pop-punk territory with Take You With Me: a hugely infectious and upbeat track that also happens to feature one of the best vocal performances on the album (although A Dying Machine is a close contender). In order to avoid being too biased I will also mention that there are two tracks that are fairly forgettable (I won’t say which because it is ultimately just down to personal taste). This does not include closing track, Found: four minutes of muted and distant instrumental work that, while fitting for rolling over the end credits of a cinematic piece, does little to enhance the album. The only reason I listened to the whole thing the first time through was because I expected something more to happen afterwards.

A couple of minor lapses aside, Mark Tremonti has once again proved that he is one of the greatest musicians in the modern metal scene. Like all great albums, A Dying Machine rewards the listener for repeated listens, whether that is listening to the full package or just picking out individual songs. I could discuss how listening from start to finish takes you on a journey with peaks and troughs, discord and harmony, all forming a musical backdrop to a tale of love and loss, hate and reconciliation, but that would take up a whole separate article. Each listener will take away something different, whether that is from full immersion in the narrative or simply from rocking out to some of the best work modern metal has to offer. Far from a dying machine, Tremonti seems to be a constantly evolving and improving one. Long may he continue.

Highlights: Make It Hurt, The Day When Legions Burned, As Silence Becomes Me and Take You With Me.

A Dying Machine is released on 8th June 2018 via Napalm Records and can be pre-ordered here.

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Re: Tremonti pt #4 - A Dying Machine

Postby ToNsOFuN88 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:47 pm

Apparently they played Throw Them To The Lions on the classic metal show. Anyone get to hear?

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Postby SHEAKENBAKEN » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:00 pm

ToNsOFuN88 wrote:Apparently they played Throw Them To The Lions on the classic metal show. Anyone get to hear?

I heard that too but no I didnt get to hear it, myself! :/

But we will in 6 more days! :peace
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Postby Fish Tacos » Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:39 am

The first time I heard it my brain had to kinda process it because I kept thinking it was going in a different direction, does that happen to anyone else? Now that I've gotten a few listens in I'm digging it, especially the chorus backing vocals and bridge. I'm really excited for this album and now that I've seen the ghost writer's resume I'm pretty interested in checking out the book. This seems like a really well rounded project.
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Postby fix » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:35 pm

SHEAKENBAKEN wrote:https://midlandsmetalheads.com/tremonti-a-dying-machine/

RATING: 4/5
From The Sky follows in much the same vein. I would normally accuse a chorus made up of simply ‘woah oh’ to be lazy song writing, but given the quality of lyric writing on offer throughout the album I will let them have this one.


This worries me a bit. I really dislike all the ‘wooaah yeaaah’ that’s going on in the released songs. But there’s even more on the album, even an entire chorus?

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Postby Ubik » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:38 pm

That's one we've already heard, I think. I'd thought it was a prechorus but apparently not.
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Postby AllC392Was » Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:09 pm

It is the chorus. Its a killer song.
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Postby AHart96 » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:20 pm

Man I fucking love the bridge of As The Silence Becomes Me :cloud9 Favorite part of the song and one of my favorite sections to listen to of all the released songs so far
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Postby AllC392Was » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:05 am

AHart96 wrote:Man I fucking love the bridge of As The Silence Becomes Me :cloud9 Favorite part of the song and one of my favorite sections to listen to of all the released songs so far


The transitions from Chorus to bridge to chorus are amazing.
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Postby WaywardOne » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:08 am

When are we getting that track-by-track review? Running out of days...

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Postby Troops4Tremonti » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:53 am

Arctic wrote:
Troops4Tremonti wrote:This is, perhaps, the first time that Mark Tremonti (solo, Creed, or AB) released a song that was almost completely uninspiring in any way.

There is absolutely nothing special about As the Silence Becomes Me. There are no hooks whatsoever. I said "almost completely uninspiring" because I somewhat liked the intro a little. Other than that, the vocals on the verses are awkward and the chorus is just a dumpster fire. The bridge also did nothing for me. I was hoping he would at least try and salvage something with a guitar solo, but not even that.

MT is about the only dude left that can churn out one good song after another, but this may have been the worst song he's ever written. I know everyone is hyped for the new album and I'm pretty stoked. But at the end of the day, regardless of who it is or what the situation is, if a song is trash I'll call it trash - and this song is trash. :shrug

Go easy on me. lol.



This post is the most hyperbolic fucking absolute nonsense I’ve ever read. You should honestly feel pretty bad about posting such a dumpster fire of a comment.


Unless you can read my mind through my post, you really can't know if or how "hyperbolic" my post was. I realize I insulted your lord and savior, but I don't feel bad that my opinion doesn't jive with yours or that I didn't consult you before selecting an adjective. The song, to me, is trash. I don't use that as an absolute - for there are people who enjoy this song. To those people, this song is not trash - and that's fine. I'm not going to turn into a psychopath because others like a song that I find forgettable. Some of you might be wise to hold MT to a higher standard.

If it puts anyone's mind at ease, I've been listening to and supporting Mark for over 20 years now. He is, to me, the greatest guitarist to ever play and he's probably in my top 5 composers of all time. But, he doesn't get a pass if I don't like a song. I won't pretend it's good or try and force myself to like it.

Also, I like it when you swear. It really gets my attention and brings out your point in a sophisticated way. Just brilliant.

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Postby ToNsOFuN88 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:20 am

Troops4Tremonti wrote:
Arctic wrote:
Troops4Tremonti wrote:This is, perhaps, the first time that Mark Tremonti (solo, Creed, or AB) released a song that was almost completely uninspiring in any way.

There is absolutely nothing special about As the Silence Becomes Me. There are no hooks whatsoever. I said "almost completely uninspiring" because I somewhat liked the intro a little. Other than that, the vocals on the verses are awkward and the chorus is just a dumpster fire. The bridge also did nothing for me. I was hoping he would at least try and salvage something with a guitar solo, but not even that.

MT is about the only dude left that can churn out one good song after another, but this may have been the worst song he's ever written. I know everyone is hyped for the new album and I'm pretty stoked. But at the end of the day, regardless of who it is or what the situation is, if a song is trash I'll call it trash - and this song is trash. :shrug

Go easy on me. lol.



This post is the most hyperbolic fucking absolute nonsense I’ve ever read. You should honestly feel pretty bad about posting such a dumpster fire of a comment.


Unless you can read my mind through my post, you really can't know if or how "hyperbolic" my post was. I realize I insulted your lord and savior, but I don't feel bad that my opinion doesn't jive with yours or that I didn't consult you before selecting an adjective. The song, to me, is trash. I don't use that as an absolute - for there are people who enjoy this song. To those people, this song is not trash - and that's fine. I'm not going to turn into a psychopath because others like a song that I find forgettable. Some of you might be wise to hold MT to a higher standard.

If it puts anyone's mind at ease, I've been listening to and supporting Mark for over 20 years now. He is, to me, the greatest guitarist to ever play and he's probably in my top 5 composers of all time. But, he doesn't get a pass if I don't like a song. I won't pretend it's good or try and force myself to like it.

Also, I like it when you swear. It really gets my attention and brings out your point in a sophisticated way. Just brilliant.

I was wondering if you had listened more and if it grew on you or not. Nothing more, just don't like it at all?

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Postby Mr. Slash » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:22 am

Jesus Christ, what is going on in here?

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Re: Tremonti pt #4 - A Dying Machine

Postby riemslag1 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:38 am

Just a great song with a crap-opinion, nothing more....................

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Postby Troops4Tremonti » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:20 am

riemslag1 wrote:Just a great song with a crap-opinion, nothing more....................


I think "different" opinion is the word you're looking for.

I've listened to it about 5 times, I think. The verses are a little better. I'll keep listening to it and hope that my mind changes completely. Us and Them by Shinedown was about the only collection of songs where I thought they were useless and now think is their greatest album. There are songs like that, I admit. Not many, but they do exist. We'll see. :)

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Postby Mr. Slash » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:47 pm

I'd be more happy about an actual acoustic performance, but at least this will give some publicity lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7xKMw8Xjw
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Postby riemslag1 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:18 pm

Troops4Tremonti wrote:
riemslag1 wrote:Just a great song with a crap-opinion, nothing more....................


I think "different" opinion is the word you're looking for.

I've listened to it about 5 times, I think. The verses are a little better. I'll keep listening to it and hope that my mind changes completely. Us and Them by Shinedown was about the only collection of songs where I thought they were useless and now think is their greatest album. There are songs like that, I admit. Not many, but they do exist. We'll see. :)


Oh, no problem man !
After all my posting was just an opinion about your opinion, nothing else.
I hope it grows on you.
I dig the Shinedown-remark. Nice for me I happen to see both bands live in Holland this month.

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Re: Tremonti pt #4 - A Dying Machine

Postby SHEAKENBAKEN » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:46 pm



This is amazing :lol

EDIT: Sorry, I didnt realize that is what Mr.Slash shared above because it was just a link instead of an embed :/
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