What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Rising'?

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Re: What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Risin

Postby ToNsOFuN88 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:13 pm

Timotheus wrote:
Grizzly9773 wrote:Then all you hear is Scott doing 'ts ts ts ts' on the cymbal before the really loud riff comes in when Myles starts screaming before the bridge. I interpret that as the first few drops of rain, and when the heavy riffs begin, that's like when the downpour starts.

This is where I imagine a huge tsunami. The silent part on the hi-hat is like the slowmotion part in a movie where everybody realises they're fucked and give eachother the farewell-looks before impact :D

I don't think anybody is denying he's singing about an apocalypse by the way. That doesn't mean the song can't be about something entirely different. The apocalypse is a metaphor, and it's for us to interpret what it stands for.

I always picture the first hits on the cymbals, in the beginning of the song, as the first drops of rain.

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Re: interpreting is a stupid word

Postby Timotheus » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:19 pm

Fish Tacos wrote:
Timotheus wrote:The apocalypse is a metaphor, and it's for us to interpretet what it stands for.


You can't say that for every song ever!

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No! A lot of artists are being literal in their lyrics and can alternate between songs. Without a footnote next to each title, eventually that statement will be wrong.

Lol, I just noticed that I wrote interpretet.

I just think this is not one of those literal songs. The first line can be interpreted in many different ways. If you look at it as a stab towards Scott Stapp, the rest of the song just gets an entirely different meaning. "The earth has provided the means to burn in down" doesn't mean the same thing with that in mind. It becomes a lot darker if you look at Stapp's recent problems. And that's just one way of interpreting the song.
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Re: What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Risin

Postby Fish Tacos » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:36 pm

I wonder if we'll get a song about Stapp's downward spiral in AB V.
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Re: What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Risin

Postby TREMONSTER » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:30 pm

I thought I read somewhere that Waters Rising lyrics were written by Mark about a dream he had about the apocalypse?

I also thought I read that Myles wrote Bleed it Dry? :shrug

Can anyone clarify? Bueller...? Bueller..?
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Re: What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Risin

Postby Andy92 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:40 pm

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Myles wrote Bleed It Dry. Also seems like Myles wrote the original lyrics to "Waters Rising," but after his vocal sessions weren't going so well on the song, Mark wrote his own lyrics and sung them on the final version.
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Re: What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Risin

Postby TREMONSTER » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:50 pm

Yeah that makes sense from what I remember reading about way back then the album came out. Thanks man :cheers
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Re: What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Risin

Postby Grizzly9773 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:20 pm

Ubik wrote:Good post there Grizzly, Waters Rising lyrics were written by Mark though (other than the bridge, which was Myles - you can tell this as it has "deny" in it ), and Myles wrote Bleed It Dry.


Andy92 wrote:Yeah, I'm pretty sure Myles wrote Bleed It Dry. Also seems like Myles wrote the original lyrics to "Waters Rising," but after his vocal sessions weren't going so well on the song, Mark wrote his own lyrics and sung them on the final version.


I think you're right, Andy92, in that the vocal sessions didn't go well for Myles so Mark took the wheel. But i'm pretty sure Ubik is right too, because I swear I remember reading somewhere that they each wrote on of the songs, and Myles didn't right them both. I just got it backwards :P. I wish someone could find it- I just remember hearing Myles talking about how they were both writing a song and came back and were like 'crap' because lyrically they are similiar.

And of course anyone can interpret anything they want any which way, but I am pretty sure they had a direction in mind when this song was being written, as most songs probably do. Whether I'm write about the whole storm and clouds and rain starting at certain points, who knows. It is interesting though.
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Re: What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Risin

Postby Ubik » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:34 pm

Grizzly9773 wrote:I think you're right, Andy92, in that the vocal sessions didn't go well for Myles so Mark took the wheel. But i'm pretty sure Ubik is right too, because I swear I remember reading somewhere that they each wrote on of the songs, and Myles didn't right them both. I just got it backwards :P. I wish someone could find it- I just remember hearing Myles talking about how they were both writing a song and came back and were like 'crap' because lyrically they are similiar.

And of course anyone can interpret anything they want any which way, but I am pretty sure they had a direction in mind when this song was being written, as most songs probably do. Whether I'm write about the whole storm and clouds and rain starting at certain points, who knows. It is interesting though.

Yep I remember that story too, they both had armageddon on the membrane. I think the deal was that Myles either was low on time or inspiration in writing the lyrics for that song (they were on a very tight schedule, from memory) and Myles thought the song sounded Mark-y so figured he should take over the vocals too. I think in that sense it was Mark being inspired by the doominess of the music to write about that theme, but he did a very nice job of it.
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Re: What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Risin

Postby Grizzly9773 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:44 pm

Ubik wrote:Myles thought the song sounded Mark-y


That made me laugh out loud literally. But yeah, you're totally right about it all. I just wish I could find the damn proof online or the interview this is all said, haha
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Re: What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Risin

Postby Timotheus » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:45 pm

Don't need to find proof. We've all seen it and he's mentioned it multiple times ;)
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Re: What is 'it' in 'The Things I've Seen' and 'Waters Risin

Postby Ubik » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:53 pm

Grizzly9773 wrote:
Ubik wrote:Myles thought the song sounded Mark-y


That made me laugh out loud literally. But yeah, you're totally right about it all. I just wish I could find the damn proof online or the interview this is all said, haha

It's all stretched across the many interviews they did around release in video and print, but this one has most of the ish in:

https://youtu.be/XGUq4mh3G0s?t=13m28s
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