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My apologies I completely missed this -- I actually did a cover of Indoctrination last summer as soon as I received my Tremonti Baritone and played it in A# Standard (or Bb Standard as you call it) and it sounds pretty good to me, feel free to check it out if you like:davidstvz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:08 pmI just finished a guitar pro tab for this and posted it at UG (also have Native Son: definitely a Drop Db song):SchwiizVT12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:28 am So I did a thing over Christmas and retuned one of my guitars to G# standard and was able to recreate "In the deep" as Mark plays it live so I'm definitely going with that tuning for Mark.
In London at the guitar clinic I asked Mark about Indoctrination and what version of Drop A# he was using (whether it was a la Come to life/Broken wings etc or Tore My Heart out) and he said actually it's in standard tuned all the way down to A#... tried that on my down-tuned guitar and it works but it's so unnecessary...
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/al ... ro-3592310
For Indoctrination, I actually included both a Bb/A# standard transcription and a Drop Bb version. The recording has a bunch of power chords you can't really play in the Drop Bb version, so it definitely is Bb standard (I thought it was a 7-string at first, but the chords in the bridge would be really awkward on a 7-string). I think someone here said Myles played this live in Drop Bb (but what riffs did he play?). Someone posting in comments at UG insisted that they went into the Walk the Sky sessions with a lot of material separately written by Myles and Mark, and that Myles had written this song.
I'm unfortunately not working from home today and won't be home for another six hours so I haven't had a chance to dissect the song yet but you could be right. I tried to use the quiet part of the bridge as a reference and an online tuner and there's the clear low B pedal tone and but there's also a ringing D note which suggests an open string, which would suggest B Standard unless they're doing some crazy tuning. Will tinker around on my B Standard guitar when I get home and will see what I can come up with!
That's a great cover.gmetzger wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:44 am Not a transcription, but I did a cover. Picked apart what Mark was playing from what shots we got of him playing from the music video.
https://youtu.be/NQnRVmpsdsM
Thanks! Appreciate it.George wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:41 amThat's a great cover.gmetzger wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:44 am Not a transcription, but I did a cover. Picked apart what Mark was playing from what shots we got of him playing from the music video.
https://youtu.be/NQnRVmpsdsM
Love your guitars and tone.
Sounds great man!SchwiizVT12 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:39 amMy apologies I completely missed this -- I actually did a cover of Indoctrination last summer as soon as I received my Tremonti Baritone and played it in A# Standard (or Bb Standard as you call it) and it sounds pretty good to me, feel free to check it out if you like:davidstvz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:08 pmI just finished a guitar pro tab for this and posted it at UG (also have Native Son: definitely a Drop Db song):SchwiizVT12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:28 am So I did a thing over Christmas and retuned one of my guitars to G# standard and was able to recreate "In the deep" as Mark plays it live so I'm definitely going with that tuning for Mark.
In London at the guitar clinic I asked Mark about Indoctrination and what version of Drop A# he was using (whether it was a la Come to life/Broken wings etc or Tore My Heart out) and he said actually it's in standard tuned all the way down to A#... tried that on my down-tuned guitar and it works but it's so unnecessary...
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/al ... ro-3592310
For Indoctrination, I actually included both a Bb/A# standard transcription and a Drop Bb version. The recording has a bunch of power chords you can't really play in the Drop Bb version, so it definitely is Bb standard (I thought it was a 7-string at first, but the chords in the bridge would be really awkward on a 7-string). I think someone here said Myles played this live in Drop Bb (but what riffs did he play?). Someone posting in comments at UG insisted that they went into the Walk the Sky sessions with a lot of material separately written by Myles and Mark, and that Myles had written this song.
Thanks so much man!davidstvz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:26 pmSounds great man!SchwiizVT12 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:39 amMy apologies I completely missed this -- I actually did a cover of Indoctrination last summer as soon as I received my Tremonti Baritone and played it in A# Standard (or Bb Standard as you call it) and it sounds pretty good to me, feel free to check it out if you like:davidstvz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:08 pmI just finished a guitar pro tab for this and posted it at UG (also have Native Son: definitely a Drop Db song):SchwiizVT12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:28 am So I did a thing over Christmas and retuned one of my guitars to G# standard and was able to recreate "In the deep" as Mark plays it live so I'm definitely going with that tuning for Mark.
In London at the guitar clinic I asked Mark about Indoctrination and what version of Drop A# he was using (whether it was a la Come to life/Broken wings etc or Tore My Heart out) and he said actually it's in standard tuned all the way down to A#... tried that on my down-tuned guitar and it works but it's so unnecessary...
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/al ... ro-3592310
For Indoctrination, I actually included both a Bb/A# standard transcription and a Drop Bb version. The recording has a bunch of power chords you can't really play in the Drop Bb version, so it definitely is Bb standard (I thought it was a 7-string at first, but the chords in the bridge would be really awkward on a 7-string). I think someone here said Myles played this live in Drop Bb (but what riffs did he play?). Someone posting in comments at UG insisted that they went into the Walk the Sky sessions with a lot of material separately written by Myles and Mark, and that Myles had written this song.
I don't recall if I posted a follow up for this post, but I'm 100% convinced at this point that Mark is in A# standard for Indoctrination and G# standard (that's 4 steps down) for In the Deep (no 7 string guitars). Myles' live parts for In the Deep are played in Drop C# (and he does make use of the 6th string). It's very clearly Drop C# as he uses the open 6th string and the open 1st string in ways that require that tuning exactly. There is still no known complete live performance of Indoctrination that I know of. I imagine Myles would use a Drop A# guitar for that, though if he left the rhythm parts entirely to Mark he could use almost any tuning (either Eb standard or Drop C# would be likely).
I haven't sat down with my guitar for all the songs but I'd say most of these are right-- though I'd be inclined to say Let That Be Us is Drop B (B F# B E G# C#) rather than B Standard on account of the pedal tone B-string that you can hear in the instrumental part of the bridge (it's not the low B string but an octave higher, and the only way to play that would be on the 7th fret in B Standard, but you wouldn't be able to play the higher notes of the bridge with the note ringing out as it does on the record if you tried it that way).gmetzger wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:36 pm Now and Forever (A# D# G# C# F A#)
Thrown Further (E A D G B E)
Let That Be Us (B E A D F# B)
The Last One of Us (E A D G B E)
In One Piece (D A D G B E) Maybe D Standard?
Under the Sun (D A D G B E)
Not Afraid to Lose (Mark: C# G# C# F G# C#) (Eric: C# G# C# F# A# D#)
Bleak (C F A# D# G C)
Would You Kill (C# G# C# F# A# D#)
If I've worked out the patterns of five correctly, I think it's actually easier in Drop B than B Standard (since I only hear the lowest string being used at the start of the ascending run, but not when he comes back down the scale). Might be wrong though.
