
I say that while I'm listening to the new Between The Buried And Me album. Talking about 'loose' song structures....
I've also listened to that, as well as the majority of BTBAM's catalogue over the last month of so and it's even 'too loose' in their case, because there is nothing you can grab onto. The art of songwriting is to create something unorthodox but still make it sound like a musical composition and I don't know if BTBAM's should be brought as an example here.fix wrote: I say that while I'm listening to the new Between The Buried And Me album. Talking about 'loose' song structures....
Whether you like them or not, I do think they have some great compositions. I really enjoy songs like “Voice of Trespass”. But let’s not derail this topic haha.Dolo wrote:I've also listened to that, as well as the majority of BTBAM's catalogue over the last month of so and it's even 'too loose' in their case, because there is nothing you can grab onto. The art of songwriting is to create something unorthodox but still make it sound like a musical composition and I don't know if BTBAM's should be brought as an example here.fix wrote: I say that while I'm listening to the new Between The Buried And Me album. Talking about 'loose' song structures....
'Millions' off of 'Automata I' has a great classical guitar hook after each chorus.fix wrote: About the ‘no hooks’ thing, I do think it helps a song if there is a recurring melody of sorts. Doesn’t have to be a chorus, but can be a guitar melody or a cowbell for all that matters. To make the above more relevant, what is missing from BTBAM sometimes is that recurring melody that ties it all together. A hook, so to speak.
Nowt wrong with hooks. Even if they're only repeated once or twice, it just means you've written a damn good melody.Dolo wrote:'Millions' off of 'Automata I' has a great classical guitar hook after each chorus.fix wrote: About the ‘no hooks’ thing, I do think it helps a song if there is a recurring melody of sorts. Doesn’t have to be a chorus, but can be a guitar melody or a cowbell for all that matters. To make the above more relevant, what is missing from BTBAM sometimes is that recurring melody that ties it all together. A hook, so to speak.
Amen! I think part of what made me not dig The Last Hero so much is just, I looked at the song titles, and then pretty much without fail, I would know before hearing the song, exactly how that title was going to fit into the lyrics (spoiler alert: in the Big Fucking Chorus on every song).Crumbso wrote:I'm a big believer of letting songs go wherever they are required to go. Some need the A/B/A/B/C/B structure and some require more extension. It's my one gripe with AB is that aaaallllways needs to be 3 choruses. What about Bohemian Rhapsody? 2112? Hessian Peel?
A structure can be a useful tool but, unless you're purposefully writing to a genre format, one that should be used for transcribing AFTER the writing process for purpose of re-learning. Not one to write to.