Oh my god.. I'm just looking at this now. 73+ dead from a truck (full of weapons and bombs) driving through a huge crowd of people in Nice.. UnbelievableAndy92 wrote:I know this isn't a USA issue, but it's a world issue that affects all of us. So disheartened to see the events going on in France tonight. This stuff is happening way too frequently with way too many numbers.
anguyen92 wrote:Oh well. Deal with it.
This x 999,999,999Andy92 wrote:It's insane. This world is so broken. These attacks keep happening more and more frequently. I don't know what the best answers are on how to deal with all of these problems, but I think the most important thing countries need to do is communicate, understand each other, and genuinely come together to stop this terrorist uprising. Their group continues to grow while the people they target continue to become more and more estranged with one another. It will take numbers, a union of millions of people from hundreds of countries to fully extinguish this threat at its source.
Believe it or not, there are more people in the US that think like me (this is what Americans call "a liberal opinion") than the opposite. Its just that sometimes the opposite tends to be a bit more outspoken sometimes.Jim wrote:AB23 you're completely speaking my language, it's so refreshing to see an American with a sane outlook on GUN ownership
Yep. Your chart reflects the traditionally higher rate America has for all homicides which is trending down, while countries like England have enjoyed traditionally lower rates.Jim wrote:
.. Whilst we're adding charts.
The data does not say that. Not in Jamaica. Not in Ireland. Not in certain US cities. Not in any of the charts I posted earlier. Australia isn't a model case because it had an existing downtrend similar to what you're seeing in America above and England is an even worse example because you can see how low and steady their homicides have been, remaining almost level several years after implementation vs several years before. I'm too tired right now to look into which permits in France are for personal use and when that was instantiated because it's not apparent in a cursory search but Scotland COULD be the example you need because they've had a big drop in gun related crimes. However your only choices when looking at the data are gun related crimes or homicides with no indication of gun related homicides so I can't say for sure. Assuming it is, then you've got 1 example vs all the ones I've listed. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt that you could find more (which I'd like to see if you're going to cite them using data sources instead of quotes) the point is, your side of the fence is just as speculative, if not more so.AB23 wrote:but I also have historical data from other countries that back it up. That data says that, regardless of the # of firearms in circulation, if you ban them, gun homicides will decrease.
Andy92 wrote:It's insane. This world is so broken. These attacks keep happening more and more frequently. I don't know what the best answers are on how to deal with all of these problems, but I think the most important thing countries need to do is communicate, understand each other, and genuinely come together to stop this terrorist uprising. Their group continues to grow while the people they target continue to become more and more estranged with one another. It will take numbers, a union of millions of people from hundreds of countries to fully extinguish this threat at its source.
anguyen92 wrote:Oh well. Deal with it.
Well, this chart takes care of that. This puts homicide with a GUN relative to all population.Fish Tacos wrote:The data does not say that. Not in Jamaica. Not in Ireland. Not in certain US cities. Not in any of the charts I posted earlier. Australia isn't a model case because it had an existing downtrend similar to what you're seeing in America above and England is an even worse example because you can see how low and steady their homicides have been, remaining almost level several years after implementation vs several years before. I'm too tired right now to look into which permits in France are for personal use and when that was instantiated because it's not apparent in a cursory search but Scotland COULD be the example you need because they've had a big drop in gun related crimes. However your only choices when looking at the data are gun related crimes or homicides with no indication of gun related homicides so I can't say for sure. Assuming it is, then you've got 1 example vs all the ones I've listed. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt that you could find more (which I'd like to see if you're going to cite them using data sources instead of quotes) the point is, your side of the fence is just as speculative, if not more so.AB23 wrote:but I also have historical data from other countries that back it up. That data says that, regardless of the # of firearms in circulation, if you ban them, gun homicides will decrease.
On a side note that you can decide is relevant or not, some of the countries with gun bans or strict gun control have the highest rates of robberies, sexual assaults, and assault with force. This includes Australia, England & Wales and Scotland.
I agree that you would likely reduce the number of suicides, at least by a gun, but I'm not sure how much of a victory that really is considering they're their own victim (yes, I know others feel the pain of their loss).
Sorry, I didn't hear you. What were you saying?AB23 wrote:The point you are making is silly, imo. The purpose of a car is to transport yourself to work, school, or other leisurely activity. Someone doesn't get in their car and say "you know, I'm gonna run into X today."
In other words, you posted the same exact chart as us, except it has different statistics....?Marcos wrote:
Title says: Mortality rates by fire weapons around the world.
Guess what the countries topping this ranking have in common? They all banned guns.
I'm not saying guns should be available at Walmart and Best Buy stores. But people should be entitled to carry one, if they choose to. And by choosing to do so, they're taking the risk and liability.
People wanting to commit mass shootings, murders or terrorist attacks will always find a way, in the legal or black market. At least by making it legal, giving the proper license and background check, people will be able to defend themselves and even stop worse tragedies.
This is kinda messed up. Just FYI. I'm sure you did it tongue in cheek, but you know better than this.Marcos wrote:Sorry, I didn't hear you. What were you saying?AB23 wrote:The point you are making is silly, imo. The purpose of a car is to transport yourself to work, school, or other leisurely activity. Someone doesn't get in their car and say "you know, I'm gonna run into X today."
(For context purpose in the future: day after terrorist attack in Nice)
The chart you posted compares the US to mostly European countries. This one has a lot of South American and Carribean island countries. I'm sure the charts have some differences in raw numbers, but I think something to take from the charts is that while the US may have an issue with guns in comparison to European countries, Japan, etc, we probably don't have as many issues as a lot of other places around the world where crime is very rampant.AB23 wrote:In other words, you posted the same exact chart as us, except it has different statistics....?Marcos wrote:
Title says: Mortality rates by fire weapons around the world.
Guess what the countries topping this ranking have in common? They all banned guns.
I'm not saying guns should be available at Walmart and Best Buy stores. But people should be entitled to carry one, if they choose to. And by choosing to do so, they're taking the risk and liability.
People wanting to commit mass shootings, murders or terrorist attacks will always find a way, in the legal or black market. At least by making it legal, giving the proper license and background check, people will be able to defend themselves and even stop worse tragedies.
anguyen92 wrote:Oh well. Deal with it.
